Nazism

alright so let's have a good, clean, scholarly debate about the connections between christianity and nazism.proposition 1: christian support for nazism was restricted to 1)certain rather nasty individuals who had their own separate ideas about the inferiority of other groups (pious the 12); 2) the general public, immaterial of religion, who were swayed by propaganda; 3)default support because of natural opposition to atheist communism.i imagine i'll be arguing against the following points pink sas so brilliantly charged. [link] [link]my suggestion is not that the christians in germany did not have the same culpability as everyone else in the world for not doing anything about the genocide (don't tell me no one knew about it. that's crap.), but, nazi leaders were not christian (in fact quite staunchly so) and thus the christian community as a whole cannot be blamed for this in the same way as the inquisition and the other crap.if you don't find it on jstor or lexis nexis etc or in a peer-reviewed book (ie from a university press), i don't wanna see it. i don't care what wikipedia says or what your pastor says or what your local jcc says or what the last guy on the travel channel said.This message has been edited by brennakimi, 12-13-2005 07:20 PMThis message has been edited by brennakimi, 12-14-2005 09:39 AMThis message has been edited by brennakimi, 12-14-2005 11:14 AMABE
this book sounds like an interesting read. nyu is fairly decent.This message has been edited by brennakimi, 12-14-2005 04:37 PM

a continuation from dan's post in the barbarity of christianity thread.Christian qoutes:-"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."-"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter."Non Christian Quotes:-Night of 11th-12th July, 1941"National Socialism and religion cannot exist together....
"The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity....
"Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things." (p 6 & 7)-10th October, 1941, midday"Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure." (p 43)-19th October, 1941, night"The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity."and there's a million more. he was culturally schitzophrenic. he was neither a christian nor an atheist. he was a nutter.

did you actually read what i posted?ABE and i'm really tired of the no-true-scotsman stuff, too.This message has been edited by brennakimi, 02-14-2006 12:54 PM

you clearly did not. i'm not making claims about christianity, i'm making claims about hitler. read the OP. and the claim i am making is that he was clearly neither christian nor an evolutionary atheist but rather culturally schitzophrenic. i can in no way back up that claim using the bible. by you claiming that just because someone calls himself a christian does not make him one, you are using the no-true-scotsman claim. it is as invalid now as it always is.

honestly, i found it on the intArwebs in a similar context. but considering the studies i've done, i don't find it implausible.

very nice points. i'm sorry he missed the significance of them. in a culture in which you want and are taught to believe that a people are vastly inferior to you, finding justification in your most important book for ridding yourself of them in both easy and reassuring. it's not the aim of the book but anything can be twisted.

oh i know. i was just saying that things are easily twisted by those who hear what they want.

oh i think he knew exactly what he was doing when he perpetrated a war he never intended to allow to end and when he murdered 20 million people.