Nazism

The NAZIs were, in fact, pagan occultists and race supremacists, highly influenced by evolutionary theory. There is virtually no Christian connection.There may be some Christians in Europe that supported fascism in general in opposition to communism, but NAZIism had it's own separate identity from, say, Franco's fascism in Spain.What is a larger and more significant angle though to argue for some Christian support of Hitler is the fact he was voted into office and enjoyed the support of the German people, and undoubtedly some of them were Christians, but it's hard to say to what degree Germans were Christian in the sense of devoutly committed to Jesus Christ. Muslims, for example, would argue that all of Western Europe and the US are Christian, but we know that's not really true. There are a lot of Christians and Christian influences, but to claim our nations and soceities are Christian creates a serious misunderstanding of the nature of these societies. The Muslims would say the Christians have pushed porn on the world, but in reality, it is often the Christians trying to restrict pornography.A similar thing, imo, occured with Hitler. To claim because many Germans were Christians, that somehow NAZIism is related to Christianity is quite absurd.One other note: one reason probably Germans were willing to accept someone like Hitler and embrace the NAZIs is simply because they restarted the German economy and war machine, and thus offerred protection from Stalin to the East. It's not clear that if we had communism and Stalin at our doorstep, were weakened after a defeat in war, that we would not ourselves here in America back someone dangerous like Hitler....Oh I forgot, the lefties think we already have someone like that in the White House...This message has been edited by randman, 12-15-2005 10:05 PM

Frankly, it's bizarre to me how you could be confused. The NAZIs did believe in social darwinism and eugenics, and adopted a race-based ideology/pseudo-religion. Darwinism was an inspiration for that sort of thinking although the master race stuff predated Darwin. They used Darwin though to claim scientific merit for their ideas.Now, in terms of the issue of creationism/ID versus ToE, there is a need for precise definitions of the term "evolution" in order to be intellectually honest. Evos, by using one term definition interchangeably with another, are not being intellectually honest. It has nothing to do with NAZIism however.Keep in mind that there is no contradiction as you surmise because along with the idea of creationism and Intelligent Design is the concept of a Designer or God, and so with a higher power to answer to, values are not shaped by purely methodological naturalism, which the NAZIs felt led to their values, and that their values were scientific whereas believing all men are equal in terms of having the same rights, they would argue is not scientific, and is a perversion of truth.So even though micro-evolution is included in creationism and ID, it is not within the same context as Darwinism.

Care to prove that? Because that's total BS, and I would hope you know that already.On your point on the NAZIs getting a bad rap, part of that is because they were so advanced scientifically and culturally, and people thought that if you advanced in these areas that you would be more likely to be advanced morally, but that is not the case.You are correct that the Soviets were worse, and of course, they were our allies so in a way we perpetuated a worse system and group in order to defend ourselves.

Yea, we are using different definitions. I think of Social Darwinism as related to the idea of who deserves to survive and who does not. The religious right, for example, is totally against this way of approaching humanity, and I don't think the Right is generally as elitist on this issue as the Left actually.For example, there is environmentalist thinking that argues the planet is over-populated and that we need the human species to be culled somehow.