Nazism

I'm simply confused by this. I can understand some creationists (or even IDists) having this position, but what strikes me as crazy is the contradictions that seem to arise from holding this position.For example you have said: andSo surely the Nazis were engaged in 'microevolution' using artificial selection, something creationist farmers had been doing for centuries. On that merit, surely the Nazis were far more influenced by creationists? After all, 'Creationism is thus equally as much "evolution" under the observed evolution definition'.It seems that when the theory of evolution is defined as observed microevolution you cry foul since that is not the definition of evolution under debate. However, you are happy defining the Nazis extreme microevolution as connected to evolutionary paradigm whilst simultaneously trumpeting creationists who have been involved in microevolution which is fine and observed and not disputed.You can surely see how this position can be confusing?

Your claim is that [pro microevolutionists] are heavily influenced by evolutionary theory.I actually agree. However, you have previously decided that the Theory of Evolution is the kind of evolution that is not observed. So your sentence parses as'pro microevolutionists are heavily influenced by a macroevolutionary theory.'You have also said that Creation and ID are as much evolution as the Theory is, if we decide that the Theory is the observed version. Given that we are talking about the observed version (eugenics is microevolution), an alternate parse gives us:'pro microevolutionists are heavily influenced by the work of evolutionists, creationists and IDers'Which is confusing. I'm just trying to nail what it is you are trying to communicate to us here.This message has been edited by Modulous, Tue, 14-February-2006 07:47 PM

Being a Christian isn't about your actions, its about your beliefs. If you accept Christ as your saviour, that he is the son of God, he died for your sins etc. Your actions do not make you a Christian, otherwise we could say that Ghandi was Christian.All Christians are sinners, so we cannot look to deeds to judge Christianity. As Matthew wrote, what proceeds from the mouth comes from the heart and defiles a man.So you will always be a Christian if you accept Christ as the messiah regardless of how many people you murder, how much you steal, how many women you lust after, how many sundays you work etc. We cannot look into the heart of a man to see if he does accept Christ.We can look at a man's behaviour to see how closely he follows the teaching of Christ, but we will never truly know if he is Christian or not.

It doesn't say kill millions of Jews anywhere. According to Hitler, Jews are not our brothers. It isn't murder to kill Jews. Killing Jews is right.In the end though, are you suggesting that if Hitler prayed for forgiveness for his sins, accepted Christ as his saviour and the Lord as his shepherd, that God, the Father, would turn His back? Surely, 'With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.'? For all we know, Hitler was possessed by a demon, and every night in a brief moment of lucidity his soul prayed for forgiveness to the Lord God, and asked that his victims rest peacefully.

You'll have to ask Hitler. Is it? And again, you'll have to ask him, not me. Well, I don't think so, but I'm not Hitler. So its possible that Hitler was a Christian, but did terrible things, for which he sought the forgiveness of the Lord. If the Bible has taught me anything its that a fairly decent amount of time its demons...and given the extent of the death, I think if demons are responsible for anything of the world's ills, it would surely be that.Unless you think man has the capacity for more evil than demons.