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Message 6 of 91 (270029)
12-16-2005 12:34 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by randman
12-15-2005 10:02 PM


I have been stationed in Germany twice, both times during the cold war pre 1999. I have personally seen what remains of some of the death camps. I have spoken with Germans who where anywhere from 10 years old to twenty somethings during the height of Hitler's rein.
This is what I gather: 1. The politics of the Natzi party did not represent all of the German peoples beliefs.
2. The "final solution" was motivated by some men who actually believed that the targeted races where subhuman and a liability. Others simply used the mechanism of racism as a way of galvinizing the support of the masses and controlling the rest with fear.
3. The policies of the Natzi party where implimented very quickley and were very efficient. We are really lucky Hitler was a addict and not making good decisions.
4. Those that Believed in the Reich went along. Those that did not, keep they're mouths shut. And those that did not were shot.
Natzis took the guise of Christianity to appeal to the masses, in that they believed as did the KKK in the USA, God has chosen them as the super race.
Some of the writings of Fredrich Neitzche were subverted to support they're "Will to power" regardless of the fact that Neitzche was anti-Christian.
So no I do not think we can blame the Christians for the Natzis. Any more than we can blame the Devil for Hitler.

"One is punished most for ones virtues" Fredrick Neitzche

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Message 26 of 91 (286918)
02-15-2006 12:59 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by IrishRockhound
02-15-2006 12:46 PM


Re: Not the issue here?
Exactamudo...and if I may add: Hitler was just another to a list of
historical meglomaniacs who over time began to actually believe they were somehow devine and infalliable.. Nero, Caligula,Alexander the Great, Ghengis Khan,Charlamange, Neoplian, etc..... Darwins theories, Ancient pagan mythology, and Christianity are not spring boards to his madness. We may never know exactley what was in that mans head because he killed himself before he could be studied. Anyways Great Britian's primeminister at the time Sir W. Churchill suggested he be immediately excecuted without a trial, stating something to the effect that it would be a 'excercise in stupidity to place him on trial.

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Message 28 of 91 (286925)
02-15-2006 1:16 PM
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02-15-2006 1:02 PM


Re: no true christian
...right Modulous.. case and point: David Koresh.

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Message 30 of 91 (286931)
02-15-2006 1:24 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by mike the wiz
02-15-2006 1:20 PM


Re: no true christian
Hi Mike, was David Koresh a Christian? Was the Holy Roman Inquistioners not Christians? Does a evil son of a bitch have to be a Satanist or pagan, or Darwinist, rather than a Christian because one does not want that evil son of a bitch associated with they're religion?

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Message 33 of 91 (286945)
02-15-2006 1:46 PM
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02-15-2006 1:33 PM


Re: no true christian
Thanks for the response Mike.
Yes to do great evil in the name of Christ or anything is against the tenants of the faith. Except that the tenants can be manipulated by the evil doer to justify the means. The men sticking hot pokers up the asses of heretics during the Inquistions were doing in theyre minds the Lords work. Now of course there were some evil men who "claimed" to be men of faith but were actually sadist. But Zealots of all shades of all religions exist. And to categorically deny they are true Muslims, Christians, Mormons or what ever is a case of blatant denial and justification. David Koresh was buggering little girls, David Koresh was such a Christian that he believed he was Christ. He died in his eyes and those of his following a martyr.

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