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Author Topic:   Can random mutations cause an increase in information in the genome?
Wounded King
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Message 44 of 310 (286470)
02-14-2006 12:31 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by randman
02-14-2006 12:16 PM


I get the idea that distorting existing information can create a new design, but at the same time, do we see the creation of whole new genes or whatever due to mutations?
That depends on your definition of 'whole new genes', thats the problem with science Randman, you have to be precise. It may look like semantic pedantry to you but without strict useable definitions there simply isn't anything to discuss, because you probably won't be discussing the same thing.
I appreciate that if you aren't familiar with the field concepts such as 'information' and 'new genes' must seem simple, but a simplistic treatment is not one which will lead to a useful discussion based on scientific evidence.
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WK

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Wounded King
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Message 233 of 310 (287265)
02-16-2006 9:59 AM
Reply to: Message 231 by FliesOnly
02-16-2006 9:43 AM


Re: How to measure complexity
A recent paper used the number of visibly distinct types of cell in the body as a measure of complexity in multicellular animals (Haygood, 2006).
A less recent paper put forward an information theory based measure of complexity, linked to shannon information, for application to the genome (Adami, et al., 2000).
TTFN,
WK

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Wounded King
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Message 247 of 310 (287611)
02-17-2006 10:55 AM
Reply to: Message 246 by Garrett
02-17-2006 10:42 AM


Re: Why don't the "commoners" get it?
I know that most of the scientific community views these people as dumb rednecks or whathaveyou, but the fact is the majority of them realize that the overarching concept of change ABOVE the level of species is not verifiable.
That seems to be a pretty sweeping assumption. Are you sure most of them don't realise that they aren't related to no monkey?
What does macro even mean 'above' the level of speciation? How would you show it? How novel would a feature need to be before we decide to that itis sufficient to demarcate change 'above' the level of species.
I assume that by 'above' the level of species you mean that speciation is not sufficient.
TTFN,
WK

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