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Chiroptera
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Message 163 of 259 (285067)
02-08-2006 7:01 PM
Reply to: Message 162 by docpotato
02-08-2006 6:58 PM


quote:
Perhaps I should have left for fear that I was being misrepresented.
That would not have been necessary as long as you went on national news and denounced every single position and viewpoint with which you disagreed and which might have conceivably been at that protest.

"Intellectually, scientifically, even artistically, fundamentalism -- biblical literalism -- is a road to nowhere, because it insists on fidelity to revealed truths that are not true." -- Katha Pollitt

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Chiroptera
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Message 172 of 259 (285134)
02-09-2006 8:18 AM
Reply to: Message 168 by babelfish
02-09-2006 12:42 AM


Re: Pick your rally carefully
quote:
I don't know how I can make that any clearer.
What? Your xenophobic paranoia? That is coming across loud and clear.

"Intellectually, scientifically, even artistically, fundamentalism -- biblical literalism -- is a road to nowhere, because it insists on fidelity to revealed truths that are not true." -- Katha Pollitt

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Chiroptera
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Message 186 of 259 (285232)
02-09-2006 1:44 PM
Reply to: Message 179 by babelfish
02-09-2006 11:40 AM


Re: Pick your rally carefully
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I don't know where this comes from nor do I feel why I have to explain myself, but here goes.
You don't have to explain yourself. However, what you have written is pretty much nonsense, and you might want to clarify that. On the other hand, since your response is pretty much nonsense, maybe it would have been better if you hadn't. To wit:
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A roomate in college...hipped me to the jive of Wahhabism folks.
Interesting. And so the the conclusion you draw from your conversations with your former room mate is that all Muslims are dangerous terrorists? Or all Arabs? Or just brown-skinned people who are devout? Is that really what you room mate was telling you? Odd. I wonder if he was part of the elite of his country (he was studying in this country, after all) and if that had something to do with how he colored the discussions with you. Did he mention that what support the Wahabbis have in Saudi Arabia is mainly a means of expressing fustration and anger at the corruption and nepotism among the Saudi rulers?
I actually lived in Tanzania for three years. And with the local people, too, not in a walled compound. Half the people around me were Christian, the other half were Muslim. To be honest, except for fasting during Ramadan and going to church on Sunday, I never noticed much difference between the two. The Muslims were pretty peaceful and pleasant. Should I conclude that all Muslims are peaceful and pleasant? Or just the African ones?
I also knew a shop keeper of Indian descent who was Muslim. He told me that it was un-Islamic to force one's beliefs on other people. May I conclude that all Muslims are uninterested in forcing their beliefs on other people? After all, that is something I learned from a Muslim from a foreign land as well. How are my contacts any less reliable than yours?
So, maybe you might want to flesh out your arguement about how the Wahabbis pose a grave and imminent danger to the West, because, frankly, I don't see it.
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If you think I am in some way exaggerating about their hatred for us... then get on a plane. Go on... get on a plane and travel to Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia... find a wahhabism rally... wear a t-shirt that says "Christian American," on the front and "Up with Bush," on the back... and see how long you survive.
Gee. Let's see -- there is one group that is undeniably extreme in its views...so we must fear the entire rabble of the Middle East? And your demonstration of how extreme they are is their potential reaction to a T-shirt supporting someone who has basically declared war on them?

"Intellectually, scientifically, even artistically, fundamentalism -- biblical literalism -- is a road to nowhere, because it insists on fidelity to revealed truths that are not true." -- Katha Pollitt

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Chiroptera
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Message 190 of 259 (285257)
02-09-2006 2:48 PM
Reply to: Message 188 by babelfish
02-09-2006 2:25 PM


Re: Pick your rally carefully
quote:
I appologize if my post was unclear.
It's possible that I misread your post, perhaps reading into it something you didn't mean to say.

"Intellectually, scientifically, even artistically, fundamentalism -- biblical literalism -- is a road to nowhere, because it insists on fidelity to revealed truths that are not true." -- Katha Pollitt

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Chiroptera
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Message 247 of 259 (286826)
02-15-2006 9:53 AM
Reply to: Message 245 by tsig
02-15-2006 8:16 AM


Re: the rule
jihadwatch is basically the Answers in Genesis of the Mid-East political debate.
The page to which you have linked starts off with an article about a German cartoon that apparently depicts the Iranian soccer team as suicide bombers. That articles starts off with the quote:
The country that has a "Lovers of Martyrdom Garrison" and numerous volunteers for suicide missions demands that Germany apologize for noticing.
While I do find the quote rather humorous myself, it certainly isn't serious scholarship or even journalism. Right off the bat, the site makes it clear that its intention is to goad xenophobic racism rather than explore that issues in a factual manner.

"Intellectually, scientifically, even artistically, fundamentalism -- biblical literalism -- is a road to nowhere, because it insists on fidelity to revealed truths that are not true." -- Katha Pollitt

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Chiroptera
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Message 251 of 259 (287342)
02-16-2006 1:47 PM
Reply to: Message 248 by tsig
02-16-2006 6:58 AM


quote:
Could you provide me with the links that prove anything said on those sites are wrong?
No; if you are sufficiently interested in studying the issues then you can do the research yourself.
If there is a specific issue that interests you that is not relevant to this thread (about the cartoons published in the Danish newspaper), then you can start a new thread, and then people (perhaps myself included) would be more than happy to supply information relevant to that issue and links or citations to the sources of that information.

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