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Author Topic:   Who represents Christians if Falwell, Dobson and Robertson don't?
Minnemooseus
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Message 7 of 120 (277244)
01-08-2006 5:47 PM


Jim Wallis
Author of God's Politics : Why the Right Gets It Wrong and the Left Doesn't Get It
and
The Soul of Politics: Beyond "Religious Right" and "Secular Left"
There seems to be a nice discussion of "God's Politics" at this blog.
I read a bit of "God's Politics", and did like some of what he had to say. He was critical of the "religious right", but seemed to be almost as pushy to get the "religious left" influence into government.
By "secular left", he condemns the lack of religious activity by those to the left of the "religious right". Kind of like equating the politically more liberal with anti-theism, rather than merely being ones who want to keep undue religious influences out of government.
It would be interesting if Wallis could have his own show on Pat Robertson's network. But that would be like Al Franken getting his own show on Fox.
Moose

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Message 64 of 120 (280561)
01-21-2006 3:03 PM
Reply to: Message 63 by randman
01-21-2006 2:44 PM


People that are irrelevant in this topic
Bill Clinton, Freud, Jane Fonda, and Michael Moore are not religious leaders. They, as far as I know, do not make religion a public issue and thus are irrelevant in this topic.
Moose (and this message probably could just as well come from Adminnemooseus)
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Message 66 of 120 (280754)
01-22-2006 3:56 PM
Reply to: Message 65 by Silent H
01-22-2006 6:19 AM


Re: People that are irrelevant in this topic
I thought randman was using him {Michael Moore} analogously.
There may be a bit of truth there, but I personally must look upon it as mostly being a major goal post shifting effort. Michael Moore is not a representitive of some Christian perspective.
Now, if randman wants to bring in considerations of Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Jim Wallis, or even Jimmy Carter, that's part of the topics theme.
Maybe a "Holmes critiques Michael Moore" would make for a good "Coffee House" topic.
Moose

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Message 68 of 120 (280783)
01-22-2006 5:24 PM
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01-22-2006 5:06 PM


Re: People that are irrelevant in this topic
Yeah I get that. What I don't get is why he can't be used as an analogy. Why must people stick with only Xians or religious leaders to create analogies?
Granted, but that it was an analogy needed to be stressed, such as what you have done. I still think Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton et all would be better counterpoints to bring up.
As long as it doesn't get into a huge debate about MM, I honestly don't see why its OT.
I could easily see it turning into a huge debate about MM if the "analogy" wasn't quickly contained.
Now, to direct this back to what I see as relevant people, in message 7:
Moose writes:
It would be interesting if Wallis could have his own show on Pat Robertson's network. But that would be like Al Franken getting his own show on Fox.
Moose

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Message 78 of 120 (280994)
01-23-2006 3:48 PM
Reply to: Message 76 by randman
01-23-2006 3:23 PM


Billy Graham and "black church leaders" are relevant in this topic
Seems to me Billy Graham has a much more direct "connection" with Bush than Falwell, ...
and
Plenty of black church leaders also have "direct connections" to the White House, ...
This, to me, is the relevant portions of your message. My impression is that those assertions are not true. Care to back them up with some reference material?
Moose

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Message 115 of 120 (288400)
02-19-2006 6:46 PM


Baptist minister Will Campbell
It's great to have a really handy admin available to reopen a topic for you.
The first 4 paragraphs of an article, as quoted from http://www.nashvillescene.com/Stories/Cover_Story/...:
Writer and renegade preacher Will D. Campbell is probably the only ordained Baptist minister dead or alive ever to call one of the Southern Baptist Convention’s highest ranking officials a “hypocrite and a jackass.” To his face, no less.
There’s been a heap of bad blood between Campbell and the honchos of that Nashville-based religious convention juggernaut that characterizes itself as “America’s largest non-Catholic denomination with more then 16.3 million members in 43,024 churches nationwide.” That’s because, in books, speeches and interviews, Campbell keeps poking the brethren in the butt with his theological pitchfork. And he’s about to get it out again with a new book in the works and reissues of two of his most anti-institutional novels.
“Soul molesters, that’s what I call these television evangelists,” Campbell says during an interview at his log cabin writing retreat just across the Davidson County line in Wilson County. “Soul molesters. That bunch that call themselves Christian. They are not Christian, but a very powerful political group . . Groups like those with Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell, those people that run the [Southern Baptist Convention] Lifeway show. They don’t show me much about the Christian faith. They hate, hate everybody except themselves and their power. Falwell stood down there at the Southern Baptist Convention (SBC) meeting in Nashville recently and said, ”We won this election.’ And he spoke the truth. They did elect George W. Bush.”
As Campbell sees it, the well-heeled, Bible-thumping folks at the SBC have abandoned Christ in favor of Caesar, turned their dark suits and ties toward the Golden Calf of politics and away from the strict separation of church and state tradition of the Baptist church. He characterizes as unchristian the SBC’s support for the death penalty, the war in Iraq, the bashing of gays and lesbians, and sexist prohibitions against women in the ministry.
There is much more to read at the cited page.
I was guided to the above via this topic at Terry's Talk Origins. Thanks for which go to "The Great Society".
Moose

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