Define "Kind"

So do you consider there to be any scientific use for the concept of Kind currently?All you seem to be saying is that if a barrier is ever found to the variation genetic mutation can generate which would prevent evolution above a certain unsepcified 'level' then the related organisms on one side of that barrier would be a 'kind'.Creationists seem to have simply made up a term for something which has no evidence to support its existence, and seem to think that refering to such a term has some value in debate.TTFN,WK

I don't know if that would satisfy a biblical notion of kinds. After all there are hypothesese that living things have evolved from things that we can't quite tell if they are alive or not, which in turn developed from things that are not alive.TTFN,WK

Care to provide any evidence to support this gigantic assertion?In what way is the 'loss of reproductive ability with the former population' for a population not 'speciation in the sense evolutionists use the term'?Did you mean to say creationists?TTFN,WK

Maybe rather than all ganging up on Faith we can see what creationist organisations, or their pseudo-secular relative, are doing in terms of research.A good place to start is probably the 'BSG', formerly the 'Baraminology Study Group', whose entire raison d'etre is the definition of and classification of kinds or baramins.This contains links to a number of papers which seem to make real attempts to put forward methods for identifying baramins (Frair, 2000; Wood and Cavanaugh, 2001; Hennigan, 2005).I would encourage you to read some or all of these papers and then maybe we can have a little Baraminology journal club discussion.TTFN,WK

No need to thank me, nobody wins in a dogpile.TTFN,WK

*bump*Just on case Randman hadn't seen this thread yet, since I know people were interested in having his input.TTFN,WK