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Author Topic:   Verifying truth in science - is evolution faith-based?
Omnivorous
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Message 55 of 104 (289295)
02-21-2006 5:03 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by Garrett
02-21-2006 3:23 PM


What we see are changes within species..and even speciation (no I wouldn't accept this as an evidence of macroevolution since it is defined as changes above the level of species).
Then may I assume for further discussion that you consider the genus to be the demarcation line for kinds? That would be useful.
With black holes we have the same scenario...we can observe their effects ( X-ray emission from X-ray binaries and active galactic nuclei, etc...)in the present time. Concerning evolution, we can only observe the effects of microevolution, that is changes at or below the species level. This should be pretty intuitive given the fact that even intellectually honest evolutionists would admit it.
But of course we do not observe the present effects of black holes, but rather apprehend the effects of their prior existence--the physical traces, x-ray emissions, etc.), that persist across distance and time.
Similarly, we cannot observe macroevolution (accepting for the moment your idiosyncratic definition), but rather the effects of that prior process--the physical traces, fossils, DNA sequences--that persist.
In both instances, our observations are in the present moment, but the originating phenomena are not. The analogy of the black hole holds up quite well, at least to this particular challenge.

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