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Dr Jack Member Posts: 3514 From: Immigrant in the land of Deutsch Joined: Member Rating: 8.4 |
They've filled in more details in the article
quote: Jaw and cranial fragments should be sufficent to demonstrate a matching skull, shouldn't they?
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
The jaw should help if it has (or doesn't have) the double-rooted teeth. The fragments - well it will depend on the reconstruction. Unless they're pretty large it could just fuel the controversy as the sides dispute attempts at putting the fragments together.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1431 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
of nine more individuals, I read the article as they have found a total of nine, adding some new found parts to LB1.
bbc writes: Now, the same team tells Nature journal it has skeletal remains from at least nine of the "Hobbit-like" individuals. Thanks This species issue can only be firmly resolved by finding more fossils, I'm afraid. by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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Nuggin Member (Idle past 2518 days) Posts: 2965 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Joined: |
They have 9 individual jaw bones, but I'm still going to side with the scientists who say it's not a seperate species, it's just an individual with a bad birth defect.
In this case a combination dwarfism and nine-headed-ness. Wouldn't have wanted to be that guys prom date
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1431 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
time
and a few more fossils will tell
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1431 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
The jaw should help if it has (or doesn't have) the double-rooted teeth. FROM: The Loom Blog about life etc (click)The key conclusion of the paper is that these fossils look a lot like the original Hobbit bones reported last year. The new jaw, for example, has the same peculiar roots on its teeth as the old one, and both also lack a chin. If the original Hobbit was just a pathological human, the authors argue, then all of these new individuals would have to be pathological too. And the fact that these fossils span 80,000 years makes it even harder to hold the pathology argument. That may be from a blog, but the link is from Scientific American which gave it one of their Science & Technology Web Awards 2005 Both are good reads. Enjoy. {changed subtitle} This message has been edited by RAZD, 10*12*2005 03:51 PM by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3986 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 7.1 |
Nuggin writes: Wouldn't have wanted to be that guys prom date I dunno. My prom date said I had ten hands, and she didn't seem all that unhappy about it.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1431 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Here is a Nature Editor's Summary of articles
Nature - Not Found
The discovery of a small-bodied hominin from the late Pleistocene of Flores, Indonesia, caused a great deal of interest. Its classification as a new species was controversial, but now there is more evidence for the endemic human species, Homo floresiensis. The remains excavated at Liang Bua on Flores include another tiny adult mandible, 15,000 years old, and the right arm bones of the original find, known as LB1. The new findings confirm the presence of a long-term dwarfed population from before 74,000 to 12,000 years ago and argue against the idea that LB1 was an individual with a growth disorder. There is also evidence for the use of fire, and butchery of the mammoth-like Stegodon. Sign in required to access the articles: More evidence for hobbit unearthed as diggers are refused access to caveMore evidence for hobbit unearthed as diggers are refused access to cave | Nature Palaeoanthropology: Further fossil finds from FloresFurther fossil finds from Flores | Nature Further evidence for small-bodied hominins from the Late Pleistocene of Flores, IndonesiaFurther evidence for small-bodied hominins from the Late Pleistocene of Flores, Indonesia | Nature ("1st paragraph" is same as above) Enjoy. by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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Carson O'Genic Junior Member (Idle past 6138 days) Posts: 20 From: San Francisco, CA Joined: |
My heart sinks when I read about how the fossils were mishandled and broken. Teuku Jacob's should be made to resign in shame.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1431 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
I'll give him the benefit of the doubt until I know more. He could have been researching the inside shape in a more traditional manner. We do not know what documentation he made.
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Carson O'Genic Junior Member (Idle past 6138 days) Posts: 20 From: San Francisco, CA Joined: |
When you say 'in a more traditional manner" do you mean to suggest that fossils are often broken using some 'traditional' technique of measurement? I have no problems with alternative hypotheses to explain the fossils. (Although with the recent finds, I think the case for mutation has fallen apart.) I have problems with the most acclaimed anthopologist of Indonesia screwing up fossils of immense value to all of humanity.
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666_DBz Inactive Junior Member |
I just registered and was wondering if there were any extractions of their Dna ???
Interests are : Philosophy, Archaeology, UFOs, Science and the Life Sciences
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ramoss Member (Idle past 638 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
Not yet.. and it could very well be that there is none.. which would be a shame.
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666_DBz Inactive Junior Member |
There exists the will to get a sample I thought the Jo "Nature" was going to produce something from the sequencing and analysis of extracted "Dna" Has anyone heard the same ?
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ramoss Member (Idle past 638 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
The problem is that the conditions which the bones were in was not condusive for the preservation of DNA. I am sure they will want to try to extract DNA. That does not mean they will be successful. I know I want them to be able to.
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