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John Inactive Member |
quote: It is this attitude that you are the final arbiter that makes me wish there were some form of feed back mechanism on the forum. You see, gene, you can and will stubbornly repeat yourself as well as misrepresent me-- this little bit above is yet another example of that-- and there is no real solution. Your cause is blinding you to the dead obvious. Feed back is not an appeal to authority. It is something smart people ask for when trying to work through a problem. Of course, you have made it clear that this is not something you want or would appreciate-- an attitude shared by tyrants and fanatics throughout the ages. Of course, if my posts were full of slander and misrepresentation I'd have a problem with feed back as well. I must admit that I can understand how you may think this was an appeal to authority until I clarified my reasons in my last post. That you continue with the 'appeal to authority' tack shows a profound lack of integrity.
quote: What does agnosticism have to do with the determination of what is reasonable? You make absolutely no sense.
quote: Answering it? How does an agnostic make a determination of what is reasonable? I have given that answer more times than I remember. Do you think that pretending I haven't and continually asking is going to score points for you? Why don't you explain your reasons? I asked for clarification when you first brought this up and you did not provide any. Can you make an argument? Or do you feel that your assertions are sufficient?
quote: Yes, really now. The 'popularity quip' was yours. From your post 118:
And what if you're the unpopular one? Would that mean I have defeated you? quote: It is frightening that you do not care about the opinions of others. Technically you are correct, but people tend to see things differently and those viewpoints can be enlightening. That is why I care. What you are doing is insulating yourself.
quote: Then you truly are insulating yourself.
quote: Then you are a fool.
quote: I have explained this.
quote: If there were an opinion meter on this site and it were stacked against me, I would be concerned and endeavor to find out why such was the case. That is called integrity and apparently you don't have any. It may be that people simply disagree out of sheer fanaticism, but perhaps not. I am not talking about logic here, but self-reflection.
quote: But sadly, until I agree with you I won't get credit for it. Denail is a powerful force and the force is strong with you.
quote: Actually, this line was started when you implied that agnostics CANNOT determine what is reasonable and you have yet to make an argument for that assertion.
quote: LOL.... exactly what it says. Paying attention to the people around you is not such a great evil. I imagine that most people figure this out pretty early on, or else grow up to be megalomaniacs.
quote: Yes, and desperately trying to justify your fear of feed back.
quote: Some egos are much too well fed as it is. Listening to people is good medicine for that illness.
quote: More of a stab really.
quote:quote: What?????? Your response does not remotely follow. God is required for rational thought. How exactly does this presume that you believe the agnostic worldview? That aside, your response indicates that you do not believe that God is required for rational thought. How then is it that an agnostic should have trouble determining what is reasonable?
quote: It is clearly your intention to continue reciting your garbage. I said nothing about existence. It isn't about existence. It is about reasonable belief. And you seem quite averse to addressing that issue, instead prefering to perpetually divert the discussion to your straw man.
quote: I've deleted a whole bunch of misguided ranting. I hope you don't mind. It has all been covered too many time to count anyway.
quote: ummm... nor does absense of evidence make a belief reasonable, no matter much as you would like it to do so. oh wait... That isn't what you claim? No matter. I claim you claim it so obviously you do.
quote: Yes, if you ignore the bulk of physics. I don't have a problem with inference and implication, apparently you do.
quote: I just want the whole world laugh with me. Just spreading the joy. ------------------
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John Inactive Member |
quote: ... like talking to a brick wall.
quote: Then you understand the point of feed back, so drop the 'appeal to authority' farce. And yes, this is exactly the kind of thing that interests me.
quote: Nope. Didn't say that. This is your imagination. I have explained how I consider this, but then, you don't listen. This is the same point you brought up in your last post and the same point I addressed in my last post.
quote: Of course, this is not what I propose and you know that. Or, you would know that if you'd read my posts.
quote: LOL.... thanks for that wisdom.
John from post #219 writes: The combined opinions of the readers of this board do not constitute truth, but those opinions may be worth considering. quote: So you keep saying, gene. WHY? You are not telling why this is so.
quote: Until you come up with something better than an assertion, this is just smoke.
quote: I have told you how I determine what is valid. You have not directly addressed that issue, but keep returning to this insistence that rational thought must include a determination of whether God exists or not. It doesn't make sense. You base the idea of rationality on the idea of God and for no good reason that I can tell. Of course, it is hard to tell what you mean as you haven't given any reasons at all thus far. Equally curious is that the way you have it formulated, either an atheist or a theist can determine what is reasonable. Apparently they are each basing the determination on criteria different from that of the agnostic and perhaps different from each other as well, but you haven't bothered to explain what that criteria is.
quote: hmmm.... statements with question marks at the end are questions. Didn't realize that qualified as misrepresentation.
quote: Why does God have to enter into it at all? Why does one need to know the answer to this question in order to determine what is reasonable?
quote: What is the problem with asking for feed back? It is the only reason I post to this forum. Do I believe what people tell me? Nope, but it point out things I may have missed. Simple.
quote: Yes, I know. It is unfortunate.
quote: I know that in the past I have been well served by listening to people who disagree. Simple. I search out people who disagree. I look for people who diagree. My favorite people fight with me whenever they are around.
quote: LOL.... I am not at all worried about my credibility. Nor am I worried about your pronouncement that I won't win. I am quite convinced that you will never admit that I have won and won long ago, but that is different.
quote: Who is afraid? I am asking for it. You are objecting vehemently.
quote: ah... the hubris!
quote: Yes, other people are irrelevant aren't they gene?
quote: Except I have not said this. My formulation is "no evidence == no reason to believe and hence not reasonable" but I am sure you'll ignore that correction this time just like countless other times. ------------------
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John Inactive Member |
quote: Indeed that is the point, schraf. Gene can't seem to get his head around that. And rather than answer this directly he has started on the bizarre "agnostics can't determine what it reasonable" line of, dare I say, reasoning. ------------------
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John Inactive Member |
quote: I too enjoy learning the origins of our myths, but this really is beside the point as far as this debate goes. ------------------
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John Inactive Member |
quote: But I am really not talking about the old story, but about the mythical Santa Claus-- the guy who lives at the North Pole, has elves who make toys and flies through the air on Christmas Eve in a sleigh pulled by magical reindeer. It doesn't really matter what you put into the blank. It can be something entirely made up. If you want to argue that the idea of God is a mythologized version of some old story, I'd agree. I'm sure it is. I doubt such a view is good for the faith though. ------------------
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