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Author Topic:   How do creationists explain stars?
Phat
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Message 5 of 297 (289513)
02-22-2006 10:05 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by carini
02-19-2006 1:47 AM


My Stars! God determines Physics...not visa versa
carini writes:
Did god speed up the speed of light for a few days? If most creationists believe the world was created relatvively recently ~6000 years ago, how did the light from stars reach earth?
Most visible stars in the night sky are less then 3000 light years away which goes in creationists favor, but what about those stars and galaxies more then 6000 light years away, how are these visible with telescopes? Unless god changed the laws of physics from their current values, how are these visible?
This is a good topic, carini, and I welcome you to EvC, by the way! In fact, even as a believer, this logic has compelled me to abandon any theories in support of a Young Earth.
From the argument of the other side, however, God could have done the initial act of creation any way He saw fit to do so. God is not bound by laws and observed scientific behaviors. He simply is not fully understood! Even putting God out of the picture, however, we have a universe of 100 billion stars per galaxy and 100 billion galaxies.
It is premature to assume that one species on one planet that is a mere speck in the grand scheme of things can argue that our 200 years of scientific wisdom can and will give us an accurate picture of the behavior of this universe through time.
From the perspective of a believer, the same can be said of a God whom we believe in and have perceived, yet cannot comprehend the significance of!
Believers are so quick to casually mention how God does things, when in perspective, God by definition must be even more complex than 100 billion galaxies!
There is MUCH that is not yet known!

Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties either, but right through every human heart, and through all human hearts. This line shifts. Inside us, it oscillates with the years. Even within hearts overwhelmed by evil, one small bridgehead of good is retained; and even in the best of all hearts, there remains a small corner of evil. --Alexander Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago

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Phat
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Message 120 of 297 (325576)
06-24-2006 3:31 AM
Reply to: Message 106 by Percy
06-16-2006 8:08 AM


Re: what debate?
Percy writes:
But there's no scientific debate. Even before Darwin geologists had already established that the world was far older than the account in Genesis implies.
Just out of curiousity, what's a Darwin geologist?

“There are two kinds of people: those who say to God, "Thy will be done," and those to whom God says, "All right, then, have it your way” --C.S.Lewis

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Phat
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Message 122 of 297 (325580)
06-24-2006 4:21 AM
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06-24-2006 3:56 AM


Re: what debate?
Oh, I see! Doh! Oh well, I'll butt out now....(Phat knows little about geology except a few basic 7th grade science stuff)

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Message 186 of 297 (326394)
06-26-2006 10:19 AM
Reply to: Message 185 by PetVet2Be
06-26-2006 10:14 AM


PetVet2Be writes:
The law that states that when two(sp) forces collide the stronger one(sp) wins. The heat energy from the swirling motion causes outward force which quickly overpowers the gravitational force.
In a science forum, there is not a matter of "winning" or losing.
The challenge is for you to show us how you understand this law that you refer to. Remember, we are not arguing belief. We are explaining facts. Show us your sources so that we can learn from your assertions. (Welcome to Evc, by the way)

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Message 200 of 297 (327155)
06-28-2006 11:37 AM
Reply to: Message 197 by Rob
06-28-2006 1:30 AM


Re: what debate?
I think that I understand some of the points that you are making, and I'll go out on a limb here:
1)Humanity by nature is, in scientific mode, perfectly willing to explain a universe without necessitating God. This does not mean that the scientific community is embracing a deification of human intellect. Its simply the method--free from Faith bias--in which they think.
As believers, we don't need to validate our belief by attempting to construct a scenario that fits our preconceptions as to how God works.
I am a creationist in that I believe that God originally created everything. How He did it is not so important to me, for I need no proof to bolster my faith in Him. (I used to look for such proof, before I matured as a believer.)
We don't need to worry if our kids learn secular science. We don't need to insist that they be taught creationism.
We only need be concerned that they know Jesus, that they know how people think critically, and that they know why people conclude the things that they do.
My hope is that the next generation is a lot smarter than me, and that they also have the relationship with God that I have---(even better! )

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