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Author Topic:   New abiogenesis news article 4/12/02
peter borger
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Message 23 of 89 (29065)
01-13-2003 11:40 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by Percy
01-13-2003 11:01 PM


Dear percipient,
P: ...and the evidence for endosymbiosis is fairly strong.
PB Is it? If it is, have you considered the loss of information that is required two make one organism out of two? In other words 1+1<2.
Best wishes,
Peter

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peter borger
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Message 26 of 89 (29069)
01-14-2003 12:08 AM
Reply to: Message 24 by John
01-13-2003 11:40 PM


Dear John,
You think that:
1) The protein codes are in the order of the bases.
PB: What do you need a code for if you don't have a translator?
And you are under the impression that:
2) The earliest replicating molecules were likely something more like RNA which is not a paired base molecule.
PB: Except science fiction lovers, nobody holds this view anymore. Where do you think RNA's are made of? The compounds will NOT form spontaneously. It is a well-known fact. Keep it scientific, please. And don't misrepresent the data. As if nobody would notice. Go here for a fair presentation:
http://www.arn.org/docs/odesign/od171/rnaworld171.htm
It must be said, you have a strong belief.
Best wishes,
Peter

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peter borger
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Message 29 of 89 (29137)
01-14-2003 7:47 PM
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01-14-2003 9:18 AM


Dear John,
I was under the impression that YOU were a skeptic. Apperently, you are only selectively skeptic.
Sorry, but I am not like that. I am a real skeptic (as mentioned before), and I only believe what can be scientifically proven AND my own experiences.
Best wishes,
Peter

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peter borger
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Message 32 of 89 (29150)
01-14-2003 10:36 PM
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01-14-2003 10:32 PM


dear John,
I am glad to have made you laugh.
It's better to laugh than to cry.
best wishes and Seeye,
Peter

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peter borger
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Message 57 of 89 (29742)
01-21-2003 6:46 AM
Reply to: Message 56 by Quetzal
01-21-2003 6:39 AM


Dear Quetzal,
Indeed, nice pics. However, where do you see horses and where do you see elephants? I had a very careful look at the pictures, but I didn't see them. Could you please point them out for me? I would be grateful.
Best wishes,
Peter

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peter borger
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Message 58 of 89 (29743)
01-21-2003 7:01 AM
Reply to: Message 55 by John
01-21-2003 1:58 AM


Dear John,
There is no reason to doubt that HIV -not SIV- was present in the human genome before the 1950s (recent Nature, will look it up if you like). You refer to the only imaginable evolutionary explanation, but there is an alternative through NONRANDOM mechanisms.
Wanna discuss the origin of HIV, viruses in general? Anybody?
Best wishes,
Peter

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peter borger
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From: australia
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Message 61 of 89 (29804)
01-21-2003 7:04 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by John
01-21-2003 6:23 PM


Dear John,
here is the refernce:
Rambaut et al in Nature 410, 1047 - 1048 (26 april 2001)
Best wishes,
Peter
"Viruses have their origin in the genome through NON-random mechanisms (=degeneration of the genome =GUTob! You better believe it)"

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