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ReverendDG
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Message 1 of 28 (291143)
03-01-2006 4:46 AM


I recieved this interesting book called A History of God by Karen Armstrong
So far I am halfway through the chapters on christianity but it is a really good book. It is an analyzation of monothieism through out the ages and different look at the history of judeaism as well. Plus she adds a new understanding of how platonic and other religions effected the three religions most people follow
one of the more amazing ideas she brough up was the fact that god has changed over the millenia due to what the prophets saw, as well as how god was presented to the generation of the prophet
one large thread found throughout the book is the fact that no matter what god is only presented in our limited view, the author points this out by saying the authors of the OT and NT only saw a facelet of god and not his true face - only a small part of the overall greatness of god, thus god maybe more than what the holy texts tell us

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ReverendDG
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Message 4 of 28 (292284)
03-05-2006 3:26 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by Phat
03-01-2006 12:35 PM


Re: The Peanut Gallery
Commenting only after reading the introduction, I will say offhand that I disagree with Karen Armstrongs philosophy that states that humans created God. That is where I diverge from the books philosophy right away...although it does look like an interesting read!
An interesting point she makes is the fact that unlike other gods, yahweh acted in human history - she also makes the point that the first writer of the OT started from the exodus rather than genesis and we meet yanwah that way.
Most of the middle-eastern gods never effected history directly so the idea of a god effecting human history was a new concept, if you read any myths about gods they never are really in human reality, they have their own time before mankind and the only way mankind talks to the gods is in temples

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ReverendDG
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Message 10 of 28 (293416)
03-08-2006 5:54 PM
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03-07-2006 8:38 AM


Re: A History of God?
I'm not even sure what you are talking about, but the book is interesting because it doesn't stem from the holy text itself, its a history of how belief has evolved and how god has changed in reflection of human views and needs
i've read the bible enough already i'm interested in why the bible was written in the way it was and this book gives some interesting views
However, most of it were already translated/interpreted but never been published because of its sacredness
its difficult to believe this because things that are unpublished, may or may not be real. i would love to read it if it exists and it gets published

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ReverendDG
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Message 11 of 28 (293422)
03-08-2006 6:03 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by nator
03-07-2006 9:14 AM


Re: The Peanut Gallery
The Greek and Roman pantheon of gods were constantly walking among humans and meddling with their affairs, though.
true they do, but never normal people i guess, mostly they seem to be kings or halfgods or some how special in someway. Other point being that its during a time that was far removed from the time of the people being told the story
plus remember schraf, the author is speaking of middle-eastern gods, not roman and greek, or norse or celtic (though very few of the myths i've read had gods directly moving humans like pawns in a game)

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ReverendDG
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Message 12 of 28 (293428)
03-08-2006 6:17 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by R. Cuaresma
03-08-2006 5:53 AM


Re: A History of God
Sorry but RA is not yanweh, the later egyptians worshiped ra in a monothiestic religion that lasted 100 years then died out.
S A T O R A R E P O T E N E T O P E R A R O T A S. is not an anagram it is a palindrome and one of the oldest ones, heres the only real helpful site i could find on it 厨房里抱着岳丰满大屁股,岳的又肥又大水多啊喷了,男朋友太粗做完下面疼,欧洲一卡2卡三卡4卡乱码毛1
It is also written in Revelation 2:17 that a new name (God's name) will be given to those who will overcome.
its not gods name but the name of the person that believes and eats of the manna, where do you get its gods name?
Revelation 2:17 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who overcomes, I will give the hidden manna. I will also give him a white stone inscribed with a new name, known only to the one who receives it.

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ReverendDG
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Message 16 of 28 (293822)
03-10-2006 3:00 AM
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03-09-2006 3:45 PM


Re: The Peanut Gallery
i was thinking of the illiad as I wrote it, that was what i meant when i said very few
go go pagans!

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ReverendDG
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Message 17 of 28 (293826)
03-10-2006 3:06 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by R. Cuaresma
03-10-2006 12:41 AM


Re: A History of God
hmm well it doesn't say its gods name does it? you are imposing your own views on the text
anyway this is off topic, start a topic on it if you wish, people who will debate it with you.
by the way i don't call god by those names, he is unknowable

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ReverendDG
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Message 20 of 28 (294038)
03-10-2006 2:38 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by R. Cuaresma
03-10-2006 5:14 AM


Re: A History of God?
By the way, which event came first, the writings of the Old Testament books by the Apostles or the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls? Is the Dead Sea Scrolls complete?
I'm not even sure what you are saying, the apostles didn't write eather.
the prophets wrote the OT and the dead sea scrolls are unknown, there is no NT text in the dss from what i understand
{abe:what did any of this have to do with anything i posted in your qoutes?}
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ReverendDG
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Message 23 of 28 (294207)
03-11-2006 3:16 AM
Reply to: Message 22 by R. Cuaresma
03-11-2006 12:08 AM


Re: A History of God?
the rss is not just one scroll it is 800 documents spaning a lot of religious documents. they more than likely are older than the NT texts since they date as earily as 200 bce. Sorry but do some reading on the rss because it seems to me you need to, just some advice
It very logical that even the present day Bible does not completely contain what it supposed to contain. Thus, our understanding on the history of God as partially mentioned in the Old and New Testament is very limited.
its not based on logic its based on what the church wanted in the bible, have you ever read about the council of nicea? First Council of Nicaea - Wikipedia
of course its limited humans can't understand god, but this is our view point on god so its not limited in human understanding

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ReverendDG
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Message 24 of 28 (294208)
03-11-2006 3:20 AM
Reply to: Message 21 by R. Cuaresma
03-10-2006 11:59 PM


Re: A History of God?
your posts are all over the place, please stick to a topic for debate, i havn't a clue what you are on about.
by the way repeating the same thing over and over again just leads to frustration, i would like to understand the point of this in your own words not read scripture

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ReverendDG
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Message 27 of 28 (294323)
03-11-2006 4:45 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by AdminJar
03-11-2006 8:17 AM


Re: STOP right here
i bow to the word of the admin and discussing this line of thought is at an end for me
i like the book enought that i thought i would share it with folks

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