Irreduceable Complexity

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Originally posted by Mozambu:
You can "see" electrons because you see their effects wich can be measured. You can also "see" gravity because you can feel it. But you cant see the gradual process of speciation by natural selection just like you can't see a designer. There are no empirical proof of that. It's more speculation than science.

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In the sense that you are using it, isn't it speculation
that electrons exist?We see some effects which can be measured, and speculate that
they are caused by electrically charged sub-atomic particles.I don't see the difference.We see changes in populations, and propose a theory as to how
this may have come about.The vast majority of evidence supports the theory.What's the problem?{Edited to change the formatting -- Oops }[This message has been edited by Peter, 01-08-2003]

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Originally posted by Satcomm:

Long-term speciation cannot be proven unless you have a time machine. Since you don't have a time machine, it appears that you are speculating.

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It's not speculation, it's extrapolation ... which is acceptable
in science isn't it?You are also implying here that any evidence presented would
be meaningless because we haven't seen it happen.

Nothing wrong with a bit of skepticism