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Heathen
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Message 1 of 302 (291560)
03-02-2006 5:17 PM


In the "why does God require faith" thread, one of the creationist contributors appeared to acknowledge that Muhammed's meeting with the angel Gabriel was an actual event (although the claim was made that he infact met with a demon)
This suggests to me, and it was indeed confirmed, that the poster believed that the testament of Muhammed was true... i.e. He did meet something of supernatural origin, be it angel or demon.
The question then follows... Do biblical creationists believe that the 'miracles' reported in the Qu'ran actually happened?
If so they must feel that Allah exists, If this is the case, Are Allah of the Qu'ran and God of The Bible the same person?
Was the Qu'ran inspired By Allah in the same way the Bible was Inspired By god? (From a literalists point of view)

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Message 2 of 302 (291686)
03-03-2006 3:55 AM


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Message 3 of 302 (291711)
03-03-2006 6:57 AM
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03-02-2006 5:17 PM


"Allah" is an Arabic term which means "God"
My purpose here is to clarify the meaning of the terminology "Allah" which term designated by the Muslims to mean "God." In the Philippines we traditionally called the "Almighty God" as "Bathala" a term originated from a Malayo-Polynesian word "bathara" which means "god." The Malayo-Polynesian language has a history of influence with the Muslim migrants, thus the terms "bathara" (Malayo-Polynesian), "bathala" (Filipino), and "allah" (Muslim) are referred to one and the same meaning - god.
In Koran, "Allah" is the term addressed to God and "not" the name of God. According to them God has no name because He is the highest and His name must not be blasphemed. Muhammed therefore just designated the word "Allah" to address the Muslim god because he never recognized Jehovah or Yahweh as the traditionally accepted name of God. However, Muhammed himself doesn't know the name of his God.

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Message 4 of 302 (291715)
03-03-2006 7:15 AM
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03-02-2006 5:17 PM


Bible and Koran?
I myself have the doubt on the validity of the wisdom of the author of the Koran. I believe there are prophets roaming in this world then and now bearing their testimonies as the witnesses of God's miracles. If the Muslims addressed Muhammed as the "Only Prophet" of God then it is a contradiction to my claim. In this statement can you then judge if I am wrong or not. If I am wrong, then Islam is a true religion based on the words of God as translated by Muhammed, and Muhammed is the sole prophet of God. If I am right, then and therefore Islam is just a mere religion founded by the self-interest of its founder and not through the direct instruction of God.
Let me hear anyone's reaction, please?

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jar
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Message 5 of 302 (291763)
03-03-2006 10:09 AM
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03-02-2006 5:17 PM


yes, Allah - GOD, the Biblical GOD of Muslims, Jews and Christians
In many ways the Muslims are far more Christ-like and honor Jesus more than many Christians. While they deny the divinity of Christ, they do honor, respect and try to live by his teachings, while many Christians profess Christ's divinity while ignoring his message.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Heathen
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Message 6 of 302 (291795)
03-03-2006 11:47 AM
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03-03-2006 6:57 AM


Re: "Allah" is an Arabic term which means "God"
I guess the thrust of the question i was asking is:
What view Do biblical literalists hold with regards to the authenticity of the Qu'ran. and vice versa.
the point being driven by the fact that a biblical literalist here seemed to think that events in the Qu'ran actually happened although they might interpret them a little differently; Angels vs Demons etc.
The title of the thread is more figurative than anything I guess.

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Message 7 of 302 (306615)
04-26-2006 1:01 AM
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03-03-2006 7:15 AM


Re: Bible and Koran?
I would go with the later. However I think all religon is just a way for lazy folk to make money off the labor of others. Just like actors,stockbrokers and presidents.

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ramoss
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Message 8 of 302 (306664)
04-26-2006 8:08 AM
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03-02-2006 5:17 PM


From a linquistic point of view, the term Allah is a word that means god. Arabic Christians refer to god as Allah also. It is just the generic term for God.

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BMG
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Message 9 of 302 (306687)
04-26-2006 10:23 AM
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03-03-2006 7:15 AM


Re: Bible and Koran?
Hi R. Cuaresma.
If the Muslims addressed Muhammed as the "Only Prophet" of God then...
I don't believe the Musilms' felt Muhammed was the 'only' prophet of God. In fact, they believe Muhammed is the last prophet who received the 'complete' revelation of Allah.
World Religions writes:
He(Muhammed) also became convinced that he was the last of a series of God's prophets, who included Abraham, Moses, and Jesus among others, that these former prophets had had only an incomplete revelation of Allah, but that he had the complete and final revelation.
So, essentially, Islam sees itself as the completion of what others had started, i.e. Christianity, Judaism, etc.
Hope this helps.

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Message 10 of 302 (306703)
04-26-2006 11:50 AM
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03-02-2006 5:17 PM


Hello Creavolution.
Creavolution writes:
Are Allah of the Qu'ran and God of the Bible the same person?
From what I have been learning and from my text, Religions of the World, yes, they are one and the same.
Religions of the World writes:
The basic belief of Islam is that there is only one God, who is called Allah, the same God worshiped by Jews and Christians.
Lastly,
Creavolution writes:
Was the Qu'ran inspired by Allah in the same way the Bible was inspired by God?
I don't think it was "inspired" in the same way. As the text notes:
Although Christians and Jews take their Bibles seriously, human, though inspired, authorship is acknowledged. Such is not the case in Islam; the Qu'ran is the word of God: It is eternal, absolute, and irrevocable...It was literally revealed to Muhammed, who acted as s stenographer or loudspeaker for Allah, and has been transmitted virtually unchanged since the days of the Prophet.
What is incredibly intriguing is that Muhammed was illiterate. These "revelations" from Allah were all memorized and expounded to his companions; they were eventually committed to writing, and thus came into existence the Qu'ran, the scripture of Islam.

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ThingsChange
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Message 11 of 302 (306734)
04-26-2006 1:17 PM
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03-03-2006 11:47 AM


Faith? Where are you when we need you?
What view Do biblical literalists hold with regards to the authenticity of the Qu'ran. and vice versa.
The Christian fundamentalists I know do not see the Quran as authentic. I would be curious to see how a Christian fundamentalist justifies anything other than the Bible.

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Message 12 of 302 (306741)
04-26-2006 1:53 PM
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03-02-2006 5:17 PM


The question then follows... Do biblical creationists believe that the 'miracles' reported in the Qu'ran actually happened?
Please quote me a "miracle" that is "reported in the Qu'ran?" I'm unaware of one.
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Faith 
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Message 13 of 302 (306742)
04-26-2006 1:57 PM
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03-03-2006 6:57 AM


Re: "Allah" is an Arabic term which means "God"
In Koran, "Allah" is the term addressed to God and "not" the name of God. According to them God has no name because He is the highest and His name must not be blasphemed. Muhammed therefore just designated the word "Allah" to address the Muslim god because he never recognized Jehovah or Yahweh as the traditionally accepted name of God. However, Muhammed himself doesn't know the name of his God.
This is very odd. If "Allah" were merely a word that means "God" then Muslims would use the word in whatever language they use that means "God" instead of "Allah." But they always say "Allah" no matter where they live or what their main language is.
Islam also claims to respect the Bible, Jesus etc., but they change everything in the Bible including the Name of God given by God Himself, and they refuse to recognize that Jesus is the Son of God.

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Faith 
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Message 14 of 302 (306743)
04-26-2006 1:59 PM
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03-03-2006 7:15 AM


Re: Bible and Koran?
If I am wrong, then Islam is a true religion based on the words of God as translated by Muhammed, and Muhammed is the sole prophet of God. If I am right, then and therefore Islam is just a mere religion founded by the self-interest of its founder and not through the direct instruction of God.
I believe you have your logic wrong. It is not true that if you are wrong then Islam is the true religion. You can both be wrong.

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Message 15 of 302 (306744)
04-26-2006 2:04 PM
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03-03-2006 11:47 AM


"Events" in the Qu'ran?
...the point being driven by the fact that a biblical literalist here seemed to think that events in the Qu'ran actually happened although they might interpret them a little differently; Angels vs Demons etc.
Demons lie, that's their job. They like to appear as angels or "gods" and mislead people. Again, what "events in the Qu'ran" are you talking about? Have you read it? The Qu'ran, unlike the Bible, is not a book about history, or about events. It's predominantly a book of instructions to Muslims. There are no miracles in the Qu'ran that I know of unless there are a few that were plagiarized from the Bible, as the Qu'ran does include some parts of the Bible, usually altered. Otherwise there is mention of a few historical battles from Mohammed's efforts to force his religion on people. Why doubt those? They appear to be true enough.
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