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Message 34 of 59 (291809)
03-03-2006 12:29 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by inkorrekt
03-02-2006 8:43 PM


Re: Irreducible complexity
inkorrekt
There are many more mysteries inside the tiny cell we are trying to understand. Can I ask you this? How do you qualify yourself as a critique of Dr. Behe
You seem to think that the education of a person grants an immunity to his ideas and this is most certainly not the case. Let us see what Behe has to say about this irreducible complexity.
By irreducibly complex I mean a single system composed of several well-matched, interacting parts that contribute to the basic function, wherein the removal of any one of the parts causes the system to effectively cease functioning.An irreducibly complex system cannot be produced directly (that is, by continuously improving the initial function, which continues to work by the same mechanism) by slight, successive modifications of a precursor system, because any precursor to an irreducibly complex system that is missing a part is by definition nonfunctional. An irreducibly complex biological system, if there is such a thing, would be a powerful challenge to Darwinian evolution.
{italics mine}
And from wikipedia we have the following
In the 2005 Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District trial Behe testified under oath that irreducible complexity did not rule out known evolutionary mechanisms and that there are no peer-reviewed articles supporting his argument that certain complex molecular structures are "irreducibly complex." [2]
So let us check the sentence in italics.
.An irreducibly complex system cannot be produced directly (that is, by continuously improving the initial function, which continues to work by the same mechanism) by slight, successive modifications of a precursor system, because any precursor to an irreducibly complex system that is missing a part is by definition nonfunctional.
In the trial he had the perfect opportunity to demonstrate that he was indeed correct in his hypothesis and yet this idea which he claimed "would be a powerful challenge to Darwinian evolution" was not shown by anyone among his peers to be valid. Not one single paper was presented to show support.
You also fail to grasp that it is the duty of the person making the claim that they produce the evidence. It is the quality of the evidence that supports the validity of a concept.Michael Behe himself failed to accomplish this perhaps you can?

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