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nator Member (Idle past 2196 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
I'd like to ask Faith if she thinks that grasses ran for higher ground in the Flood?
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nator Member (Idle past 2196 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
or maybe they flew?
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nator Member (Idle past 2196 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Jar, this was an excellent post. It is a dispassionate restructuring into experiment form the claims that Faith made. You even gave her an "out" at the end to let her take it all back if she wanted to rethink. Very impressive.
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nator Member (Idle past 2196 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
OK well, if there was a worldwide flood, why do we never find fossils and evidence of grasses below a certain layer?
For example, we never find grasses (nor flowering plants) in the same layers where dinosaurs are found, only in higher (more recent) layers. If grass has always existed for the last several thousand years since Creation, then why do we not find it in the lower layers, middle layers, and upper layers? Or, if you believe that the Earth was scoured down to, er, something really low (magma?) during the Flood and then everything settled out according to denity to form the geologic layers, why do we find organisms of greater density far higher in the column than those of very low density? In fact, why do we not find fossils of, say elephants and Triceratops in the same layer, and why do we not find fossils of turkeys and velociraptors in the same layers, for example?
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nator Member (Idle past 2196 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: The Devil is in the details, Faith. You should care about where grasses are found in the geologic column because they are a problem for the Flood. Where we find grasses and other flowering plants in the geologic column makes no sense in your scenario. On several levels.
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nator Member (Idle past 2196 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Yes, but eventually the currents stopped and the waters calmed and then everything would be sorted by density, right? So why do we not find the entire fossil record sorted by density?
quote: But if everything was churned up in the flood, everything completely mixed by the incredible violence of it (so violent that the continents were racing around the globe), there is no reason that the lower strata should be mostly marine. Of course, you could explain it to me, but I'll bet you won't.
quote: If you're not willing to explain all the details, then I hope you will understand if I tend to go with the explanation that does explain all the details.
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nator Member (Idle past 2196 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
Faith, do you reject all forensic and historical science, then?
In addition, do you reject all inference-based science (which would be pretty much all of it)? This message has been edited by schrafinator, 03-07-2006 06:27 AM
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nator Member (Idle past 2196 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
Of course it is testable. Outline what should be seen. Then we can look and see if that is what is found or if something else is seen. quote: Of course it's a test, Faith. It's called a falsifiable prediction, and is the basis of all science. "If X happened during an event, we should expect to find A, B, and C if we look at the evidence left behind by that event." It's just what criminal forensics investigators do at a crime scene. No, we cannot go back and replicate the actual event, but we can gather physical evidence at the scene, and this evidence can tell us a story about what happened and what didn't happen. Many a person has been convicted and also exonerated using the exact same methods YOU claim are "all subjective guesswork:, and an "exercize in imagination." Are you going to throw out all the convictions of the people shown to be guilty by the forensic evidence now?
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nator Member (Idle past 2196 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: I'm with jar. If you are a Chraitian and you object to the way Faith acts in the science fora, then speak up in the science fora and oppose her, as a Christian!
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nator Member (Idle past 2196 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
Your assesment of rox:
quote: ...which is, in and of itself, rude.
quote: ...also a rude attempt to belittle rox, and...
quote: An out and out insult. Yet another lovely example of Christian charity and love as demonstrated by Faith. This message has been edited by AdminNosy, 03-07-2006 03:33 PM
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