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nator
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Message 22 of 135 (292616)
03-06-2006 7:20 AM 		Reply to: Message 17 by Faith
03-05-2006 2:26 PM

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I have nothing against a firing squad myself though. Or hanging. Not into the niceties of avoiding the psychological pain of anticipation.
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Ick.
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Now, I think THAT'S an example of someone not minding someone else being treated cruelly.
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Psychological cruelty is still cruelty.
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Message 32 of 135 (293032)
03-07-2006 3:32 PM 		Reply to: Message 21 by robinrohan
03-06-2006 5:21 AM

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If one has a very intense moral feeling, such as an abhorrence of cruelty, is this an indication that cruelty is evil?
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Aren't you assuming that "evil" exists?
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Message 33 of 135 (293035)
03-07-2006 3:34 PM 		Reply to: Message 31 by Hangdawg13
03-07-2006 3:25 PM

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Others can feel the same "moral bark" that I can.
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Really?
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How do you know?
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Message 39 of 135 (293043)
03-07-2006 3:48 PM 		Reply to: Message 37 by Hangdawg13
03-07-2006 3:38 PM

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I make the assumption that people are telling me the truth when they agree with me that an act strikes them as cruel.
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I don't deny that they may agree with you, but as they are not inside your head, and you are not inside their head, you cannot actually say that you know you feel the same.
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OTOH, just because two people agree on a shared inpression of something doesn't make a different impression or feeling about that same event wrong.
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03-07-2006 3:49 PM 		Reply to: Message 38 by robinrohan
03-07-2006 3:48 PM

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Perhaps an entire culture can be morally coarse.
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Wouldn't that only be in comparison to another culture?
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03-08-2006 6:57 AM 		Reply to: Message 49 by Hangdawg13
03-07-2006 6:46 PM

I don't deny that they may agree with you, but as they are not inside your head, and you are not inside their head, you cannot actually say that you know you feel the same.
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Well, if that is your standard for "knowledge" then we can know nothing. Since we cannot get inside another's head to find out if blue to them feels the same way blue does to us, we can't "know" if the color blue exists.
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No, it's not the same.
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We can analyse the light waves and find that what you call "blue" and what another percon calls "blue" fall in very similar places on the spectrum.
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There is an objective measure, from physics, for color, but there is no objective measure for feelings.
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I am not sayingthat feelings cannot be generally agreed upon, but you cannot feel what another person is feeling, and there is no way to verify it from an outside source. It is internally-produced opinion.
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Message 56 of 135 (293162)
03-08-2006 7:02 AM 		Reply to: Message 54 by robinrohan
03-08-2006 5:35 AM

Re: knowledge and moral judgement
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Every violent act is not cruel. If a bad person deserves ill-treatment, then such ill-treatment could not called cruel (a criminal is sent to prison, for example).
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Who is to say if a person is "bad"?
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