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inkorrekt Member (Idle past 6081 days) Posts: 382 From: Westminster,CO, USA Joined: |
We do not know who the designer is. All the evidence is poointing towards this.
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ramoss Member (Idle past 612 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
Let's see.
The I.D. Camp says that. But each and every one of them will admit they 'think the intelligent designer is god' You might claim all the evidence is pointing to "an intelligent designer". But, like all the I.D. proponents, you don't have a way to show what that evidence is, or how to test for the presence of an 'intellinent designer". The concept of "irreducible complex" is void of all meaning, since has not been shown that 1) there is any irreducible complex biological system out there, and 2) that an irreducible complex system can not evolved naturally without a designer if any are actually found. All of the arguements for 'I.D.' are not ideas that promote an intelligent designer, but rather attack evolution (with misunderstandings, psuedoscience,and lies, I might add)
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nwr Member Posts: 6408 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
We do not know who the designer is. All the evidence is poointing towards this.
If the evidence points toward not being able to determine who is the designer, then the simplest explanation is that there was no designer.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1405 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
"IC" systems have been observed evolving. This concept is falsified as an indicator of ID.
A kaleidoscope shows a pretty and complex pattern when viewed one way, but is just a random jumble in reality. People looking for patterns cannot tell if they are looking through a kaleidoscope or not. Enjoy. we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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sidelined Member (Idle past 5908 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: |
inkorrekt
We do not know who the designer is. We do not need to know what the designer is. What my question concerned was what designed this designer? This is a valid question since the substance of the Intelligent design hypothesis is that the complexity of the world is what indicates that there is a designer.Now this designer that is postulated is necessarily more complex than the world that intelligent design invokes to explain. Therefore we need apply the same criteria to the designer in order to explain its existence to be consistent with the hypothesis. Here now is where the difficulty lies. The arguement suffers from the inabilty to self limit and proceeds ad infinitum. No sooner are we able to postulate the designer than we need invoke a yet more complex designer, etc, etc, etc to maintain the validity of the arguement. This message has been edited by sidelined, Wed, 2006-03-08 07:57 AM
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
inkorrect writes: We do not know who the designer is. All the evidence is poointing towards this. I'm not following your logic. How can "all the evidence" point toward not knowing something? If we had less evidence, would we know more? Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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inkorrekt Member (Idle past 6081 days) Posts: 382 From: Westminster,CO, USA Joined: |
It is very very plain and simple. Do you know who Steve Jobs is? If you know, then you will not ask this question. Steve Jobs is not the universal designer. What he did with the first apple computer will explain.
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inkorrekt Member (Idle past 6081 days) Posts: 382 From: Westminster,CO, USA Joined: |
We do not know.
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inkorrekt Member (Idle past 6081 days) Posts: 382 From: Westminster,CO, USA Joined: |
There are many processes that can never occur without a designer. I will have to repeat what I said before. We would have never had the apple computer, if Steve Jobs did not exist or if he did not design or for this reason, no one designed it. This is self explnatory.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
inkorrect writes: Steve Jobs is not the universal designer. What he did with the first apple computer will explain. That's not how it works. You explain yourself, or everybody will think you don't know what you're talking about. The question is: if there must be a designer (because there is no natural explanation), then how can that designer not be supernatural? Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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nwr Member Posts: 6408 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
We would have never had the apple computer, if Steve Jobs did not exist or if he did not design or for this reason, no one designed it.
That the apple computer was designed is not any form of evidence that species were individually designed.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1467 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Do you know who Steve Jobs is? Yeah. He's that guy that screwed his buddy Steve Wozniak, the designer of the first Apple Computer.
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ReverendDG Member (Idle past 4110 days) Posts: 1119 From: Topeka,kansas Joined: |
There are many processes that can never occur without a designer. I will have to repeat what I said before. We would have never had the apple computer, if Steve Jobs did not exist or if he did not design or for this reason, no one designed it. This is self explnatory. its not explanatory, you are making the same fault filled arguement that everyone on the ID side makes, computers do not reproduce, humans do not design things that reproduce.You are equating human design to living things, it is of course because its the only thing we can analyze because there is no way to detect if something living is designed, unless we know it is, we know human things are designed because we can go look in a factory or see it marked on the object where is the mark to know life it designed?
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sidelined Member (Idle past 5908 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: |
inkorrekt
We do know that it cannot be logically held that the Intelligent design hypothesis is valid since if the intelligent designer exists he negates the intelligent design by way of ad infinitum.
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AdminModulous Administrator Posts: 897 Joined: |
This isn't a message directed solely at you inkorrekt, but this current divergence seems to be turning this highly specified thread into a generic ID thread.
The OP is quite clear what is On Topic:
Jacob writes:
I'd like to see a sample curriculum of ID so I can be better informed and thus better able to make a decision.
The ID forum has lots of open threads where this might be on topic. This thread touches on a theme that has risen in here, with regards to who designed the designer and the 'recursive paradox' of ID. If anyone wants to continue this discussion please take it to that thread, or a thread that seems appropriate to your point. Thank you for your time. Please direct any suggestions/complaints etc to the moderator discussion thread, the link of which is in my sig. New Members should start HERE to get an understanding of what makes great posts.
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