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jar
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Message 46 of 91 (287285)
02-16-2006 10:33 AM
Reply to: Message 45 by mike the wiz
02-16-2006 10:26 AM


burning witches
Did you think burning witches and justifying evil is suddenly acceptable according to scripture?
Burning witches was not just acceptable but mandatory according to scripture.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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mike the wiz
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Message 47 of 91 (287295)
02-16-2006 10:46 AM
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02-16-2006 10:33 AM


Re: burning witches
Ahh.....but not the true scripture.
No true scripture can say anything evil.
(Ofcourse, I personally don't believe in the Torah. I believe in the prophets and the New Testament). Talk to phat about that, my views are the same as his on this.
I concede. It was my mistake. I was thinking that everybody's tehology was the same as mine. Mine is basically to believe anything good, but not evil. Lol.

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Message 48 of 91 (287339)
02-16-2006 1:35 PM
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02-16-2006 8:22 AM


Except, of course, how do we know that Hitler did those 'private utterances'. They are not words he wrote himself. They were supposedly transscride from musings.. but we don't really have the primary source. We have the claims of one man, who wrote the book.

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Message 49 of 91 (287364)
02-16-2006 2:56 PM
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02-16-2006 1:35 PM


The authenticity of "Table Talk" is accepted by eminent historians. Hitler had a secretary copy down what he said during those private gatherings. The purpose was the edification of posterity.

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Message 50 of 91 (287400)
02-16-2006 5:13 PM
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02-16-2006 10:26 AM


oh i know. i was just saying that things are easily twisted by those who hear what they want.

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riVeRraT
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Message 51 of 91 (293405)
03-08-2006 5:36 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by Modulous
02-16-2006 10:14 AM


Re: no true christian
You'll have to ask Hitler.
Do we?
So its possible that Hitler was a Christian, but did terrible things, for which he sought the forgiveness of the Lord.
It is impossible for me or anyone else to "truely" know.
My opinion is that while he was doing all what he did, he was not a Christian, but on his death bed, who knows what he went through with the Lord.
If the Bible has taught me anything its that a fairly decent amount of time its demons...and given the extent of the death, I think if demons are responsible for anything of the world's ills, it would surely be that.
I think its refreshing that you said that.
Unless you think man has the capacity for more evil than demons.
If yes, then it would not be the rule, but an exception. That whole thought process makes my head want to explode.
If a person is evil without a demon being involved, then who is really accountable for that evil. The person, or the chain of events that led him to that point?

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Message 52 of 91 (293412)
03-08-2006 5:48 PM
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03-08-2006 5:36 PM


Don't blame the demons.
riVrRraT writes:
If a person is evil without a demon being involved, then who is really accountable for that evil.
Since we have the Knowledge of Good and Evil, we are responsible for our actions - no blaming any demons.
We are sheep or goats based on our own actions, nobody else's.

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jar
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Message 53 of 91 (293423)
03-08-2006 6:04 PM
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03-08-2006 5:48 PM


Preach the Gospel, Brother Ringo
Since we have the Knowledge of Good and Evil, we are responsible for our actions - no blaming any demons.
We are sheep or goats based on our own actions, nobody else's.
Amen. God gave us the gift in the Garden of Eden, the Knowledge of Good and Evil. Jesus gave us the instructions, Love others as you love yourself. He also clearly told us the consequences, in Matthew 25.
33And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
It's all up to us. We have all that is needed to know how to behave. It's not Satan, not demons but us. The blame stops here.

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Message 54 of 91 (293426)
03-08-2006 6:11 PM
Reply to: Message 52 by ringo
03-08-2006 5:48 PM


Off-topic; sorry.
There's a relatively recent song by a group called Cake whose refrain goes:
Sheep go to heaven,
Goats go to hell.
Sheep go to heaven,
Goats go to hell.
I have not been able to get that out of my head since reading your post.

"Intellectually, scientifically, even artistically, fundamentalism -- biblical literalism -- is a road to nowhere, because it insists on fidelity to revealed truths that are not true." -- Katha Pollitt

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riVeRraT
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Message 55 of 91 (293531)
03-09-2006 7:30 AM
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03-08-2006 5:48 PM


Re: Don't blame the demons.
We are sheep or goats based on our own actions, nobody else's.
I would tend to agree with you, as I have not witnessed any demons, but maybe some people who may have been demon posessed.
You and jar cannot go refering to the bible and leave out all the demons that Jesus cast out of people. They exist period.
It may be your own actions that allow them to come in, but once inside you could possibly be helpless? I don't think you could cast out your own demon. Not sure.

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riVeRraT
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Message 56 of 91 (293533)
03-09-2006 7:34 AM
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03-08-2006 6:04 PM


Re: Preach the Gospel, Brother Ringo
Matthew 4:24
News about him spread all over Syria, and people brought to him all who were ill with various diseases, those suffering severe pain, the demon-possessed, those having seizures, and the paralyzed, and he healed them.
Matthew 7:22
Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?'
Matthew 8:16
When evening came, many who were demon-possessed were brought to him, and he drove out the spirits with a word and healed all the sick.
and so on.....

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Message 57 of 91 (293552)
03-09-2006 9:32 AM
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02-16-2006 10:03 AM


LOL!
Yeah, you have defined the middle ground out of existence. Argument by definition doesn't fly so well.
I was raised a Christian and I have held onto many of the ethical principles that came with it. I'm decidedly atheist right now but I'm not your enemy and I don't hate Christianity. I find it a constant source of confusion and frustration that some Christians, like you, choose to see an enemy in every non-believer. You invent enemies everywhere and redefine your language to support that obsession. But the fact is that someone who is apathetic to your faith and your particular deity is simply apathetic. Someone who is curious but unconvinced is just that. A skeptic who tried to live your faith and found it empty, but still wants to live in harmony with you, is not an enemy and could be a friend if you would let him. There's enough damn hatred in the world without you inventing it everywhere you look.

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jar
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Message 58 of 91 (293575)
03-09-2006 10:11 AM
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03-09-2006 7:34 AM


Using the Demon cop-out.
What do any of those quotes have to do with how someone behaves?
Saying that "the devil made me do it" is just another cop out just like saying that some people are not real Christians. It's yet another feelgood fantasy, trying to absolve folk from their actions.
Sorry, but you have a knowledge of good and evil. It's up to you to determine how YOU will behave. If you do wrong, it's because YOU did wrong, not because some devil or Satan is making you do it.

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ringo
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Message 59 of 91 (293646)
03-09-2006 12:18 PM
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03-09-2006 7:30 AM


Re: Don't blame the demons.
riVeRraT writes:
You and jar cannot go refering to the bible and leave out all the demons that Jesus cast out of people. They exist period.
You can erase that period.
Most cases of "demon possession" have all the same symptoms as mental illness.

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riVeRraT
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Message 60 of 91 (293766)
03-09-2006 7:32 PM
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03-09-2006 10:11 AM


Re: Using the Demon cop-out.
Sorry, but you have a knowledge of good and evil. It's up to you to determine how YOU will behave. If you do wrong, it's because YOU did wrong, not because some devil or Satan is making you do it.
Nope, sorry got to disagree with you there. Your knowledge of good and evil is as only as good as the enviroment you were raised in. If it was full of evil, then it will go to you, just like a demon.
Who is accountable for your behavior then?

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