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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 436 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Christian qoutes: -"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord." -"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter." Non Christian Quotes: -Night of 11th-12th July, 1941 "National Socialism and religion cannot exist together...."The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.... "Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things." (p 6 & 7) -10th October, 1941, midday "Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure." (p 43) -19th October, 1941, night "The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity."
I could not find one truth in any of those statements. Given what was done, I don't see how anyone who even knows just a few "red letters" could ever think that the nazis were Christians. You can call yourself anything you want, that doesn't make you it.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 436 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
did you actually read what i posted? Of course. Try to justify those statements with any verses from the NT.
ABE and i'm really tired of the no-true-scotsman stuff, too. How does this relate to the no-true-scotsman? It has nothing to do with that logic.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 436 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Of course. Try to justify those statements with any verses from the NT. you clearly did not. i'm not making claims about christianity, i'm making claims about hitler. read the OP. and the claim i am making is that he was clearly neither christian nor an evolutionary atheist but rather culturally schitzophrenic. i can in no way back up that claim using the bible. Right, so we agree. That is why I could find no truth in those statements.
by you claiming that just because someone calls himself a christian does not make him one, you are using the no-true-scotsman claim. it is as invalid now as it always is. I disagree with that claim. I know what the no-true-scotsman fallacy is, and it is a fallacy itself. People are not born Christian, like a scotsman. It's a choice, and you show that choice by your actions, that is what Jesus taught us. No matter what you do as a scotsman, you will always be a scotsman. His behavior does not dictate who and what he really is. A scotsman cannot say to himself, I am no longer a scotsman. But a Christian can make a choice and say to himself, I am no longer a Christian. Or he can lie, and say he is one, but then not behave like one. That doesn't make him one. So the no-true-scotsman fallacy does not apply to Christians. All the web-sites that claim it does, are just not logical. I guess that is post-modern reasoning, once again proving there is no God. We are smarter now...... If this goes further, I will start another topic on this fallacy.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 436 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Being a Christian isn't about your actions, its about your beliefs. It is about your actions, but not initially. With true repentence, comes true change. Being saved, and believing in Christ is a continuing process, not a one time decision, and then your good to go.
quote: There's a ton more.There is also another verse, that I can't seem to find, but it was a bout some guys who claimed to know Jesus, but when Jesus spoke to them, he said that he didn't know them.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 436 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
It doesn't say kill millions of Jews anywhere. According to Hitler, Jews are not our brothers. According to Hitler, not Jesus. Who was he following?
It isn't murder to kill Jews. Yes it is according to Jesus. Who was he following?
Killing Jews is right. cough cough, um no.
In the end though, are you suggesting that if Hitler prayed for forgiveness for his sins, accepted Christ as his saviour and the Lord as his shepherd, that God, the Father, would turn His back? Absolutly not. In the end he would have been accepted by God. He would have also been judged, and with all sins comes a price. Not everyone is on the same level in heaven. Hitler may in fact be there holding the door for everyone else, and he would be happy about it. Remember to be forgiven means you must forgive everyone yourself. Hitler would have had to have had a big change of heart in order to do that. But really I can't pretend to know what God's plan was in regards to all that, I can only speculate.
For all we know, Hitler was possessed by a demon, and every night in a brief moment of lucidity his soul prayed for forgiveness to the Lord God, and asked that his victims rest peacefully. Could be.Most of the time, the demon is us.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 436 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
You'll have to ask Hitler. Do we?
So its possible that Hitler was a Christian, but did terrible things, for which he sought the forgiveness of the Lord. It is impossible for me or anyone else to "truely" know.My opinion is that while he was doing all what he did, he was not a Christian, but on his death bed, who knows what he went through with the Lord.
If the Bible has taught me anything its that a fairly decent amount of time its demons...and given the extent of the death, I think if demons are responsible for anything of the world's ills, it would surely be that. I think its refreshing that you said that.
Unless you think man has the capacity for more evil than demons.
If yes, then it would not be the rule, but an exception. That whole thought process makes my head want to explode. If a person is evil without a demon being involved, then who is really accountable for that evil. The person, or the chain of events that led him to that point?
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 436 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
We are sheep or goats based on our own actions, nobody else's. I would tend to agree with you, as I have not witnessed any demons, but maybe some people who may have been demon posessed. You and jar cannot go refering to the bible and leave out all the demons that Jesus cast out of people. They exist period. It may be your own actions that allow them to come in, but once inside you could possibly be helpless? I don't think you could cast out your own demon. Not sure.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 436 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Matthew 4:24
and so on.....
News about him spread all over Syria, and people brought to him all who were ill with various diseases, those suffering severe pain, the demon-possessed, those having seizures, and the paralyzed, and he healed them. Matthew 7:22Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Matthew 8:16When evening came, many who were demon-possessed were brought to him, and he drove out the spirits with a word and healed all the sick.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 436 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Sorry, but you have a knowledge of good and evil. It's up to you to determine how YOU will behave. If you do wrong, it's because YOU did wrong, not because some devil or Satan is making you do it. Nope, sorry got to disagree with you there. Your knowledge of good and evil is as only as good as the enviroment you were raised in. If it was full of evil, then it will go to you, just like a demon. Who is accountable for your behavior then?
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 436 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Most cases of "demon possession" have all the same symptoms as mental illness. I can not debate the topic, I am not an expert on it. But I have seen people with "mental illness" be cured through God's word, and power. Where medicine never helped them. They may not come out of it being perfect, but they are a lot better off then when they were on medicine.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 436 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
How can you say that, you just insulted millions of people.
Think of some little girl who gets raped when young. Her mind is screwd up for life.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 436 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Sorry but that is so totally unrelated to anything I said that all I can do is laugh. Little girls getting raped makes you laugh? Or is it you don't understand the phsychology behind it, or the spiritual reprecussions? It is on topic, because Hitler could have been demon pocessed. But according to you it is impossible.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 436 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
If you read back over what I said, I think you'll find that I said the demon possesed excuse or devil made me do it defense is a cop out. Ok, stop the silly word games, is it possible or not?
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 436 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
well so many illnesses were accounted as demonic attacks and found not to be why would you consider people getting attacked by demons more factual that illness? we have yet to document true demonic attacks that it seems more prombible that they don't exist outside peoples minds It has to do with the bible. Jar uses verses from the bible to explain things, and yet he seems to ignore some. So it is only his interpretation of the spiritual world then. Demons either exist or they don't. I am not claiming either. I will believe it when I see it. I know in my own life I was a certain way, and then I felt like God changed me, He tweaked me a little. To me it seemed like a supernatural event, and I lost some of my own "demons" in the snap of a finger. I was the way I was because of how I was raised. I feel I have been changed. I am not looking to side-step blame here. TO me thats up to the big judge in the sky.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 436 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
If you must try to express what it is I think, at least try to come close. Well if we get ino that debate, it may in fact wonder too far off-topic.I suppose you might think tha people invite demons into them by their own actions, so that in the end they are in fact responsible. Well this is how I feel too, but that doesn't explain the little girl who gets raped theory. I feel not only are you responsible for your own actions, but the actions of others when you do things to them. Cause and effect. I believe God will hold me accountable for my actions towards others and the things they caused in them. In effect I give demons to those people. I helped program those people to be the way they are by the way I treated them. Anything short of the Love of God, or trying to mimic it will lead to these destructive behaviors, or demons. Only god can free us from our past, our demons.
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