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riVeRraT
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Message 74 of 91 (294231)
03-11-2006 8:08 AM
Reply to: Message 73 by Asgara
03-10-2006 6:15 PM


Re: Using the Demon cop-out.
Did the little girl rape herself?
She is responsible for her own actions...
???
Are you saying the things you went through in your life did not mold you into who you are and how you react to things?
Doesn't how good an apple pie taste depend on how good the apples are, and the ingredients that go into it?
You explect that little girl to behave perfectly normal after an experience like that?
My friends kid (this just happened), was on the bus going home from school. Another kids went up to him and asked, want to play a game? He said yes, then the other kid put his hand down my freinds kids pants, and grabbed his penis. 8 years old.
Come to find out, that was the game that was being played on him at home.
Who's responsible?

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riVeRraT
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Message 76 of 91 (294430)
03-12-2006 7:54 AM
Reply to: Message 75 by jar
03-11-2006 8:24 AM


Re: why bring up things that are totally unrelated?
There is absolutely NOTHING in your message that has ANYTHING to do with the subjecvts we are discussing.
An 8 year old child is not yet mature enough to make any decisions about behaviour beyond the most basic.
Further, that story has nothing to do with the demon cop out.
It absolutly has to do with the subject.
What we are discussing now is the possibility that Hitler was demon pocessed. You said it was not true, and a cop-out. You never put an age limit on it.
Plus, I am saying, for like the third time, that I sort of agree with you, and I have never really witnessed any demons. But the trouble lies in defining what exactly a demon is.
The 8 year old girl is a perfect example. I mean what do you think is going ot happen to her later on in life when she can be responsible for her own decisions? She will magically be cured?
What if Hitler's childhood was filled with nothing but hate, and abuse?

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riVeRraT
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Message 78 of 91 (294814)
03-13-2006 7:16 AM
Reply to: Message 77 by jar
03-12-2006 9:20 AM


Re: Really, you have to quit changing what I actually say
Using demon possession is simply a cop out for responsibility.
Ok, since you saeem to know why, then why not explain it, here or start another thread.
Are you saying that if your childhood in filled with hate and abuse it's okay to kill 6 million Jews?
Luke 23:34
Jesus said, "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing."

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riVeRraT
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Message 82 of 91 (295134)
03-14-2006 8:41 AM
Reply to: Message 80 by jar
03-13-2006 9:51 AM


Re: Really, you have to quit changing what I actually say
There is no reason for forgiving them unless they had done something wrong. Jesus understood that, he realized that no cop out was possible, so he made what is called a Special Pleading. He says,"look, they are guilty as sin, but I'm asking you to commute their sentences.
Well you sure twisted that one around, I disagree 100%.
Where do you get this special pleading? And how does it apply to the Son of God?
They might say,"Roman Law made me do it.". or "Jewish Law made me do it.", the "The people chose this man to be crucified." instead of saying "It was my responsibility."
I don't think they are saying any of that. They were perfectly happy that they killed Jesus.

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riVeRraT
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From: NY USA
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Message 84 of 91 (295369)
03-14-2006 10:12 PM
Reply to: Message 83 by jar
03-14-2006 9:51 AM


Re: Really, you have to quit changing what I actually say
When you said special pleading I thought there was some kind of special title, or just what you called it.
Let me ask you this.
You believe in God right? If so does God ever reveal things to you about your self as you seek Him?

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riVeRraT
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Posts: 5788
From: NY USA
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Message 86 of 91 (295378)
03-14-2006 10:44 PM
Reply to: Message 85 by jar
03-14-2006 10:17 PM


Re: Really OT
Just because you do not see where I am going with this, does not make it off-topic. What we are discussing is the possibility of Hitler being demon possessed.
You say it is not possible, that every one knows what they do.
I showed you that even Jesus asks for peoples forgiveness because they know not what they do. You blatantly disagreed with that bible verse. So now I wish to show you how you have done things in your past to people, and you did not even know you did it.
I speak from experience. As I draw closer to God, He reveals things to me, and shows me the hurt I can put on people with my actions, and my words, without me even knowing it!
Of course this is much milder than what Hitler did, but it shows that it is possible to not know what you are doing when it comes to right and wrong. After all right and wrong is subjective. That is why there are so many arguments about morals.
But still the hurt I can put to people with even just my words, can last a lifetime, and I didn't even know I did it.

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riVeRraT
Member (Idle past 443 days)
Posts: 5788
From: NY USA
Joined: 05-09-2004


Message 88 of 91 (295393)
03-14-2006 11:32 PM
Reply to: Message 87 by jar
03-14-2006 10:48 PM


Re: Really OT
To call someone clueless and not explain why is just empty. I expressed myself extremely clear, and it would seem that you just do not want to admit that I am right, and that it is on-topic.
What you've said is very simple, demon possession is a cop-out.
Then you've claimed that I am off-topic about 5 times, and not even had the decency to explain why. At least make some sort of effort, otherwise we will forever be in a debate where you say blue, and I say black for eternity.
The topic is Nazism, in which Hitler was the leader, that is who I am talking about, very ON-TOPIC. I am trying to explain the possibility of him not really even knowing what he was doing, or maybe he thought he was doing the right thing.
If he wasn't demon possessed, and he knew exactly what he was doing, then why did he do it?

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riVeRraT
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Posts: 5788
From: NY USA
Joined: 05-09-2004


Message 90 of 91 (295405)
03-15-2006 12:01 AM
Reply to: Message 89 by jar
03-14-2006 11:54 PM


Re: okay, somewhat closer
The concepts of demons or original sin are just cop outs.
This is your opinion?
Let's put away God for a second. You don't think peoples minds can get screwd up from their upbringing? Are they truely responsible if they have never been shown right from wrong?

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