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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
quote: This is exactly what I am talking about. An assertian that comes out of nowhere and stated as if it were obvious fact. "Intellectually, scientifically, even artistically, fundamentalism -- biblical literalism -- is a road to nowhere, because it insists on fidelity to revealed truths that are not true." -- Katha Pollitt
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
This is exactly what I am talking about. An assertian that comes out of nowhere and stated as if it were obvious fact.
I'm working on this argument. I'm not through yet.
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
quote: A number of solutions to this dilemma: (1) There is no God, and so the dilemma doesn't present itself. (2) God exists but is not omnipresent. (3) God exists and is omnipresent, but evil is not the absense of God but something else entirely (and may even be an abstract concept that is independent of God, her existence, or her presence). "Intellectually, scientifically, even artistically, fundamentalism -- biblical literalism -- is a road to nowhere, because it insists on fidelity to revealed truths that are not true." -- Katha Pollitt
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
God has to be perfect, for if not, there would have to be something anterior to him which is perfect, by which we would know that God is imperfect. But that cannot be. That something anterior would be God.
The ideal, if it existed, would have to be God. So God is omnipresent and all good. It all works out.
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
I think that you are going to have to expound on what you mean by "perfect". In particular:
(1) Why would non-perfection require something "anterior" (whatever that means) which is perfect? (2) Why would this "perfect anterior" thing, if it existed, have to be God? (3) Why would being "perfect" imply being omnipresent and all good? "Intellectually, scientifically, even artistically, fundamentalism -- biblical literalism -- is a road to nowhere, because it insists on fidelity to revealed truths that are not true." -- Katha Pollitt
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ReverendDG Member (Idle past 4132 days) Posts: 1119 From: Topeka,kansas Joined: |
why does god have to be all good anyway? can't he be both? our concept of god being all good is tradition, but you have no basis that he all good only, it is christian dogma that says he is
by the way who says he is perfect, a being that can do anything would only be seen as perfect based on the fact that he can kill us no one knows if god is perfect or not, our limited view point presents this as being the case only because we worship god, its based on fear of god not knowlege
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
(1) Why would non-perfection require something "anterior" (whatever that means) which is perfect? There would be no way to recognize non-perfection without have something perfect to compare it with.
(2) Why would this "perfect anterior" thing, if it existed, have to be God? By definition, nothing could be anterior to God. That thing would instead be God. Moreover, that thing could not be a thing. It would have to be a being. Otherwise, it would be the universe in another form. There are only 2 choices: (1) the universe in some form has always existed; or (2)a being created it. This message has been edited by robinrohan, 03-12-2006 07:20 PM
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
no one knows if god is perfect or not, our limited view point presents this as being the case only because we worship god, its based on fear of god not knowlege I'm telling you what, if God existed, He would have to be.
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ReverendDG Member (Idle past 4132 days) Posts: 1119 From: Topeka,kansas Joined: |
why must he be?
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
why must he be? He doesn't have to be. I'm telling you what He has to be if He exists.
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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
First you only told us what We MUST believe.
Now you've graduated to telling GOD what He would have to be. Too funny. Chutzpah. Real Chutzpah. Cajones the size of Jupiter. ROTFLMAO. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
First you only told us what We MUST believe Only in a logical sense. Obviously you can believe what you like.
Now you've graduated to telling GOD what He would have to be. I wasn't talking to God. Only the other posters.
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Chronos Member (Idle past 6247 days) Posts: 102 From: Macomb, Mi, USA Joined: |
There would be no way to recognize non-perfection without have something perfect to compare it with. Sure you could, as long as the properties of perfection are well defined. I recognize things that are non-spherical all the time without having any true spheres to compare them to.
By definition, nothing could be anterior to God. If you say so.
That thing would instead be God. If the one and only qualification for being God is existing before all else.
Moreover, that thing could not be a thing. It would have to be a being. Otherwise, it would be the universe in another form. Ipse Dixit This message has been edited by Chronos, 03-12-2006 08:50 PM
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nwr Member Posts: 6409 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
I wasn't talking to God. Only the other posters.
You are coming across as making a bunch of very strong assertions, without providing any basis whatsoever for them. Maybe what you are asserting seems obvious to you. But it isn't obvious to the rest of us.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
You are coming across as making a bunch of very strong assertions, without providing any basis whatsoever for them. All I was saying was that the concept of "God" makes no sense as an imperfect being.
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