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nwr Member Posts: 6411 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
All I was saying was that the concept of "God" makes no sense as an imperfect being.
Makes no sense to you, perhaps. However the God of the bible appears to be imperfect.
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
quote: If there is a definition of perfection (something for which I have asked you), then we could compare God to the definition to see whether she fits it or not. -
quote: What is it that you mean when you say God? Perhaps the problem is I am getting mixed up with different conceptions of God. -
quote: We have been through this one before. This is simply an assertian on your part for which you have never given any reason to accept. "Intellectually, scientifically, even artistically, fundamentalism -- biblical literalism -- is a road to nowhere, because it insists on fidelity to revealed truths that are not true." -- Katha Pollitt
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
Makes no sense to you, perhaps. However the God of the bible appears to be imperfect. I wasn't talking about the God of the Bible. I was speaking philosophically. The ideal--by definition--is God. Therefore, such terms as "evil god" make no sense. This message has been edited by robinrohan, 03-12-2006 08:04 PM
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
This is simply an assertian on your part for which you have never given any reason to accept. Those 2 choices are the only possible choices.
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
The universe may have suddenly begun to exist for no reason whatsoever. So there is at least one more possibility.
If you don't like that possibility, bring it to the appropriate thread. At any rate you have not yet given a description of your "ideal" to tell whether it can be evil or not. You simply keep stating that, according to your "philosophical definition" God cannot be evil. "Intellectually, scientifically, even artistically, fundamentalism -- biblical literalism -- is a road to nowhere, because it insists on fidelity to revealed truths that are not true." -- Katha Pollitt
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
There are only 2 choices: (1) the universe in some form has always existed; or (2)a being created it.
quote: I guess the way to answer this is to come up with a third possibility since he says these are the only two possibilities. Do you have a third?
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
Hi, Faith.
I did give a third possibility. A fourth would be to recognize that the time coordinate has a definite starting point, before which there is no "before" -- like asking what is north of the north pole. Therefore, trying to think about the "cause" of the universe has problems -- "cause" or "creation" implies that there is a moment in time in which there is no universe, and then a moment when there is -- but that "moment in time" when there is no universe did not exist, since time begins the same time as the universe. In other words, the universe has always existed. Again, this may not be the appropriate thread for this. "Intellectually, scientifically, even artistically, fundamentalism -- biblical literalism -- is a road to nowhere, because it insists on fidelity to revealed truths that are not true." -- Katha Pollitt
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
The universe may have suddenly begun to exist for no reason whatsoever. This makes no sense. Something had to cause it.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
A fourth would be to recognize that the time coordinate has a definite starting point, before which there is no "before" -- like asking what is north of the north pole. Therefore, trying to think about the "cause" of the universe has problems -- "cause" or "creation" implies that there is a moment in time in which there is no universe, and then a moment when there is -- but that "moment in time" when there is no universe did not exist, since time begins the same time as the universe. In other words, the universe has always existed. This is mumbo-jumbo.
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
quote: I get that same feeling from your posts. At any rate, what is mumbo-jumbo is talking about actions like creation or causing when there is no place or time for these actions to occur. "Intellectually, scientifically, even artistically, fundamentalism -- biblical literalism -- is a road to nowhere, because it insists on fidelity to revealed truths that are not true." -- Katha Pollitt
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
It makes perfect sense to me. As does a universe that has always existed.
"Intellectually, scientifically, even artistically, fundamentalism -- biblical literalism -- is a road to nowhere, because it insists on fidelity to revealed truths that are not true." -- Katha Pollitt
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
It makes perfect sense to me Nothing can come from nothing. Think again.
As does a universe that has always existed Of course.
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
quote: You keep saying that as if it were an argument. -
quote: I suggest that you cease thinking that your own conceptual difficulties should be universal. "Intellectually, scientifically, even artistically, fundamentalism -- biblical literalism -- is a road to nowhere, because it insists on fidelity to revealed truths that are not true." -- Katha Pollitt
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
You keep saying that as if it were an argument. It is.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
I suggest that you cease thinking that your own conceptual difficulties should be universal Logic pierces the veil of subjectivity.
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