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Author Topic:   Is God Omnipresent?
Chiroptera
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Message 58 of 86 (294709)
03-12-2006 9:32 PM
Reply to: Message 57 by robinrohan
03-12-2006 9:30 PM


Re: Argument by incredulity?
quote:
Nothing can come from nothing.
You keep saying that as if it were an argument.
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quote:
Think again.
I suggest that you cease thinking that your own conceptual difficulties should be universal.

"Intellectually, scientifically, even artistically, fundamentalism -- biblical literalism -- is a road to nowhere, because it insists on fidelity to revealed truths that are not true." -- Katha Pollitt

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Chiroptera
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Message 61 of 86 (294712)
03-12-2006 9:35 PM
Reply to: Message 59 by robinrohan
03-12-2006 9:34 PM


Re: Argument by incredulity?
How old are you? You come across like you're, say, 12.
Edited to correct a typo.
This message has been edited by Chiroptera, 13-Mar-2006 02:36 AM

"Intellectually, scientifically, even artistically, fundamentalism -- biblical literalism -- is a road to nowhere, because it insists on fidelity to revealed truths that are not true." -- Katha Pollitt

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Chiroptera
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Message 64 of 86 (294718)
03-12-2006 9:43 PM


A REPEAT of the OP:
Things are quickly becoming confused and degenerating. Let me again repeat the relevant statement from the OP:
[qs]But if God is omnipresent He must always be present even if the "evil" thing is around. And, if God is everywhere there is no place where He is not present, and so, how can He be absent when evil is present?[/quote]
I will repeat my reply to this:
A number of solutions to this dilemma:
(1) There is no God, and so the dilemma doesn't present itself.
(2) God exists but is not omnipresent.
(3) God exists and is omnipresent, but evil is not the absense of God but something else entirely (and may even be an abstract concept that is independent of God, her existence, or her presence).
(I will also add another possibility in (3) is that God may not be "good" and so God and evil can quite easily coexist.)

"Intellectually, scientifically, even artistically, fundamentalism -- biblical literalism -- is a road to nowhere, because it insists on fidelity to revealed truths that are not true." -- Katha Pollitt

  
Chiroptera
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Message 66 of 86 (294732)
03-12-2006 10:21 PM
Reply to: Message 65 by robinrohan
03-12-2006 10:07 PM


Thanks, robin. In the preceding message I'm trying to get a fresh start on the topic to see if we can make any progress on it. Would you like to start?

"Intellectually, scientifically, even artistically, fundamentalism -- biblical literalism -- is a road to nowhere, because it insists on fidelity to revealed truths that are not true." -- Katha Pollitt

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