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IrishRockhound
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Message 271 of 300 (286547)
02-14-2006 2:55 PM


Buying a new machine
Hey all

I'm in the market for a new shiny piece of gadgetry, i.e. I've decided to get me a new computer! :D

I'm going to build it myself and then shove it on the grid - just wondering if anyone has built their own machines, and any advice they might have?


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Asgara
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From: Wisconsin, USA
Joined: 05-10-2003


Message 272 of 300 (286600)
02-14-2006 4:23 PM
Reply to: Message 271 by IrishRockhound
02-14-2006 2:55 PM


Re: Buying a new machine
I've build several of them. My advice is to buy the biggest, best equip you can. No matter how much HD or RAM you install, eventually you will wish you had more. Of course, thay may just be me :D
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Omnivorous
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Posts: 3808
From: Adirondackia
Joined: 07-21-2005


Message 273 of 300 (286605)
02-14-2006 4:47 PM
Reply to: Message 272 by Asgara
02-14-2006 4:23 PM


Re: Buying a new machine
Nope, that's a universal law, Asgara.

I tell people to figure the maximum they think they need, then double it.


"Dost thou think because thou art virtuous there shall be no more cakes and ale?"
-Sir Toby Belch, Twelfth Night

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Jazzns
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From: A Better America
Joined: 07-23-2004


Message 274 of 300 (286613)
02-14-2006 5:16 PM
Reply to: Message 271 by IrishRockhound
02-14-2006 2:55 PM


Re: Buying a new machine
I have built all my own machines plus ones for my entire family and most of my friends for about the last 5 years.

1. Buy everything from www.newegg.com. Seriously they are the best and if you are unsure of the quality of your product they have a product review system where people can post their comments and ratings.

2. Unless you are a totally processor speed freak, when looking for a processor always get the lowest speed of the newest stepping. These tend to have less issues with cooling and wont turn your home office into a furnace.

3. Don't buy Intel unless you want to pay too much for hardware that does not perform as well as the alternatives.

4. Of the many things not to skimp on in terms of quality probably the 2 worst ones are memory and disk. Bad memory causes freaky hard to diagnose problems and it is better just to not go down that road. The importance of your disk is just that if it happens to be the thing that fails you have more to loose. Everything else that has potential to break is mostly easy to diagnose and repair.

4. Don't spend $300+ on a video card. I promise that a quality $150 one will play all the games you would ever want to today and you wont notice.

5. Cases should have a removable motherboard tray if you are building yourself. This will save you lots of time and those annoying cuts on your fingers.

6. If a case comes with a power supply make sure it is not some generic brand that they just threw in as a "bundle" look for Antec power supplies if possible.

As long as we are talking about brands here are my favorites.

Motherboard - Asus 100% anything else is trash.

Processor - AMD64 and if you need the extra performace go for the FX series.

Memory - Corsair or Crucial

Hard Disk - Seagate. I trust no other brand.

CD/DVD ROM - Sony or LiteOn (which is just Sony without the name)

Sound - Whatever comes on the motherboard. Unless you are a serious audio person you probably won't be able to tell the difference.

Video Card - My favorite over the years has been LeadTek. Their availability has been waning as of late and I have had good luck with Asus cards. Shy away from cards that have the same video processor but are much cheaper than one of the well known brands.

Cases - Antec is great but just pick a case you like and is lightweight. The thing to watch out for is just the power supply that it comes with. See if you can get a case without a power supply. It costs a little bit more but then you can be sure to get a quality power supply.

Power - Antec all the way but I have heard good things about Vantec and Coolermaster.

Network gear - Linksys or U.S. Robotics have always brought me luck. I avoid D-Link and Belkin like the plague.

I am a wealth of useless computer hardware knowledge. Ask away if you have any questions.


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IrishRockhound
Member (Idle past 2598 days)
Posts: 569
From: Ireland
Joined: 05-19-2003


Message 275 of 300 (286635)
02-14-2006 6:08 PM
Reply to: Message 274 by Jazzns
02-14-2006 5:16 PM


Re: Buying a new machine
Thanks muchly Jazz, I'll take note of everything ^^

I buy AMD chips and nothing else - my current PC has an Athlon XP and I love it to bits. I had to travel 60 miles to get to a computer store that sold laptops with AMD chips - literally every shop in my home city had Intel and nothing else (and I swore never to buy from a few places after they said "What kind of Pentium is that?" Morons...)

I got a 250GB hard drive at the moment. I may have to buy another if my fiancee doesn't stop downloading cartoons.

My favourite video cards have always been NVidia GeForce - I usually look for the newest one and then buy the one a step or two steps down from that.

When I buy cases I go for SIZE... ease of access and all that. (Size does matter!)

Now, I've heard some good stuff about Alienware computers - and yes, I have drooled over them, because a local internet cafe has a bunch and they look like the ultimate gaming machines on the planet... I'm wondering if it's possible to build a computer with the same specs and fine tuning of an Alienware? I don't have a few grand to throw away on one, otherwise we wouldn't be having this discussion - but I'm wondering if I can make myself something close to one without going completely broke.


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IrishRockhound
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From: Ireland
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Message 276 of 300 (286639)
02-14-2006 6:22 PM
Reply to: Message 274 by Jazzns
02-14-2006 5:16 PM


OFF TOPIC! - Adminnemooseus
www.newegg.com don't ship international.

*cries*

{I've spun this sub-theme off into its own topic - Adminnemooseus}

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Asgara
Member (Idle past 465 days)
Posts: 1783
From: Wisconsin, USA
Joined: 05-10-2003


Message 277 of 300 (286640)
02-14-2006 6:25 PM
Reply to: Message 276 by IrishRockhound
02-14-2006 6:22 PM


Re: Buying a new machine
try www.tigerdirect.com

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Adminnemooseus
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Message 278 of 300 (287018)
02-15-2006 3:42 PM


Topic reopened for its final dozen messages or so
I had to slam the door on this one, to get the good discussion to a good place, the Buying a new computer (Spun-off HIV topic) topic.

Sheesh - 3 of the members posting good material, albeit off-topic, also had admin status. Don't you people have any sense of when you're burying good info in a bad place (don't answer in this topic)?

Has everyone moved their relevant material to that new topic? If not, maybe you should.

OK - A bit of space left until the topic hits the 300 message wall. Have fun.

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RAZD
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From: the other end of the sidewalk
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Member Rating: 5.6


Message 279 of 300 (287137)
02-15-2006 8:58 PM
Reply to: Message 270 by Jazzns
02-14-2006 1:15 PM


Re: Tooting my own horn! (think what you will)
What confuses me is why my Athlon 1800 (linux) consistently returns results faster than my Athlon 2500 (windows).

Try maxing the cache disk space allocated in windows (unless you need it) ... it's under your device profile settings, and the default is small. Other than that I would not be surprised that windoze takes up more ram than other OS's.


www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=msg&f=14&t=1157&m=1>Join the effort to unravel {AIDS\HIV} with Team EvC! (click)

we are limited in our ability to understand
by our ability to understand

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to share.


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RAZD
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Message 280 of 300 (287138)
02-15-2006 8:59 PM


Another Member!
Welcome aboard Funkaloyd!

   	Members (Rank)  	29 (#313)
Current Members 29
Retired Members 0
Total Run Time (y;d:h:m:s) (Rank) 3:350:11:36:10 (#614)
Points Generated (Rank) 834,113 (#644)
Results Returned (Rank) 3,588 (#662)

Getting down to that 300 team rank, and this should help get to 500 rank on results!

:)


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Funkaloyd
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Message 281 of 300 (287183)
02-16-2006 12:08 AM
Reply to: Message 280 by RAZD
02-15-2006 8:59 PM


Re: Another Member!
< Procrastinator extraordinaire. It took me one month from deciding to sign up to getting around to downloading the client, and then another two months until I actually installed it.
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RAZD
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Message 282 of 300 (287229)
02-16-2006 8:47 AM
Reply to: Message 281 by Funkaloyd
02-16-2006 12:08 AM


Re: Another Member!
betta late then neva.


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we are limited in our ability to understand
by our ability to understand

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... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ...
to share.


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Omnivorous
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Posts: 3808
From: Adirondackia
Joined: 07-21-2005


Message 283 of 300 (287256)
02-16-2006 9:45 AM
Reply to: Message 281 by Funkaloyd
02-16-2006 12:08 AM


Welcome, Funk!
Good to see you on the team, Funk.


"Dost thou think because thou art virtuous there shall be no more cakes and ale?"
-Sir Toby Belch, Twelfth Night

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RAZD
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Message 284 of 300 (292904)
03-07-2006 7:04 AM


500 Club
getting closer

   	Current Members  	30 (#297)
Retired Members 0
All-Time Members 30
Total Run Time (y;d:h:m:s) (Rank) 5:061:02:50:29 (#512)
Points Generated (Rank) 1,093,048 (#544)
Results Returned (Rank) 4,597 (#565)


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we are limited in our ability to understand
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Parasomnium
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Message 285 of 300 (295492)
03-15-2006 10:21 AM


Move over, Asgara; the bronze is mine...
Since I hadn't looked at the World Community Grid results for a while, I was pleasantly surprised that, when I finally did, I noticed I am a rising star in the team, as far as returned results are concerned. I am now fourth in rank in that respect, and some analysis reveals that, if nothing changes, I can at most become third. Jazzns is the absolute champion, closely followed by Omnivorous. Right now, Asgara is third, but that place is rightfully mine and I will claim it at some point in the future. Asgara will also be overtaken by Edchem, who will stay in fourth place, circumstances staying what they are.

How do I know this? Here's the analysis:

First, some statistics, taken from the World Community Grid website.


Member Name Joined-Retired Total Run Time Points Results
--------------- -------------- -------------- ------- -------
Jazzns 12/16/2005 0:192:13:59:39 124,390 590
Omnivorous 12/05/2005 0:228:04:40:27 121,453 446
Asgara 11/25/2005 0:142:04:14:51 87,891 358
Parasomnium 12/15/2005 0:091:19:37:47 57,838 322
demongoat 12/05/2005 0:093:00:19:17 72,600 308
sig_230 11/25/2005 0:108:20:26:01 83,012 278
bob_gray 12/19/2005 0:127:12:29:17 62,682 275
Annata 11/28/2005 0:087:07:07:58 54,355 274
MangyTiger 12/05/2005 0:046:05:05:17 33,268 253
RAZD 11/25/2005 0:147:16:53:10 72,158 222
LwJohnL 12/15/2005 0:088:11:07:39 61,354 185
Edchem 01/24/2006 0:044:13:57:30 28,152 176
Andygal 12/30/2005 0:063:23:18:42 44,303 176
docpotato 01/05/2006 0:058:18:49:59 34,776 169
berberry 11/26/2005 0:069:11:27:27 38,459 147
Discreet Label 12/21/2005 0:081:00:16:15 43,134 146
NosyNed 11/25/2005 0:042:10:08:47 32,937 121
Theodoric 12/16/2005 0:021:07:08:21 13,418 78
bobbins 12/13/2005 0:022:07:28:37 14,347 61
Coragyps 01/24/2006 0:048:15:52:27 22,910 59
sidelined 01/08/2006 0:035:00:02:54 13,366 52
brennakimi 02/16/2006 0:013:01:02:12 8,549 47
Ringo316 11/26/2005 0:088:22:56:53 23,999 42
Stephen Street 11/29/2005 0:010:08:00:30 8,518 39
Ringo317 11/28/2005 0:089:16:10:01 22,859 36
Fifi Trixiebell 12/15/2005 0:008:17:57:20 4,998 27
Funkaloyd 02/15/2006 0:012:04:51:04 7,389 27
bernd11 12/18/2005 0:003:11:35:51 1,968 10
Theodoric2 12/16/2005 0:001:06:20:31 732 3

I put these figures in a spreadsheet and added some columns:


Name Online(s) O(s) / Res. Elapsed(d) O(s) / E(s) Performance
--------------- --------- ----------- ---------- ----------- -----------
Jazzns 16639179 28202 89 2.16 7.6727E-05
Omnivorous 19716027 44206 100 2.28 5.16204E-05
Parasomnium 7933067 24637 90 1.02 4.14095E-05
Edchem 3851850 21886 51 0.87 3.99419E-05
Asgara 12284091 34313 110 1.29 3.76684E-05
bob_gray 11017757 40065 86 1.48 3.70101E-05
demongoat 8036357 26092 100 0.93 3.56481E-05
Annata 7542478 27527 107 0.82 2.96383E-05
MangyTiger 3992717 15781 100 0.46 2.92824E-05
sig_230 9404761 33830 110 0.99 2.92508E-05
docpotato 5078999 30053 70 0.84 2.79431E-05
Andygal 5527122 31404 75 0.85 2.71605E-05
LwJohnL 7643259 41315 90 0.98 2.37912E-05
RAZD 12761590 57485 110 1.34 2.33586E-05
Discreet_Label 6999375 47941 84 0.96 2.01168E-05
brennakimi 1126932 23977 29 0.45 1.8758E-05
berberry 6002847 40836 109 0.64 1.56091E-05
Coragyps 4204347 71260 51 0.95 1.33896E-05
NosyNed 3665327 30292 110 0.39 1.27315E-05
Funkaloyd 1054264 39047 30 0.41 1.04167E-05
Theodoric 1840101 23591 89 0.24 1.01436E-05
sidelined 3024174 58157 67 0.52 8.98286E-06
bobbins 1927717 31602 92 0.24 7.67411E-06
Ringo316 7685813 182996 109 0.82 4.45973E-06
Stephen_Street 892830 22893 106 0.10 4.25839E-06
Ringo317 7747801 215217 107 0.84 3.89408E-06
Fifi_Trixiebell 755840 27994 90 0.10 3.47222E-06
bernd11 300951 30095 87 0.04 1.33035E-06
Theodoric2 109231 36410 89 0.01 3.90137E-07

The first column (not counting the name column) gives the total run time in seconds. The second column is the number of run time seconds per returned result. The lower that figure, the better: the member is using his or her online time more efficiently. The third column contains the elapsed time in days since joining. The fourth column gives the ratio of online seconds and elapsed seconds. The higher that number, the better: the member is using his or her elapsed time more efficiently. Obviously, if this number is larger than 1, then the member must have more than one computer on the grid. The last column contains the ratio between the previous column and the second column. This number is a measure of the member's performance, the higher the number, the better.

As you can see, if nothing changes, the highest place I can achieve is third.

I keep using the phrase "if nothing changes", which I hope will induce the members of our illustrious group to add more computing power to the Grid.

This message has been edited by Parasomnium, 15-Mar-2006 03:24 PM


"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science." - Charles Darwin.

Did you know that most of the time your computer is doing nothing? What if you could make it do something really useful? Like helping scientists understand diseases? Your computer could even be instrumental in finding a cure for HIV/AIDS. Wouldn't that be something? If you agree, then join World Community Grid now and download a simple, free tool that lets you and your computer do your share in helping humanity. After all, you are part of it, so why not take part in it?

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