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Topic: What evidence absolutely rules out a Creator
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jar
Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 237 of 300 (296098)
03-16-2006 9:37 PM
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Reply to: Message 236 by Buzsaw
03-16-2006 9:34 PM
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Re: Individual proof?
We Biblical fundamentalists see lots of evidence for a Creator. I wouldn't go so far as to say you're wilfully ignorant, but I do think that if you were to approach the fulfilled prophecies and a lot more of the Bible literally, like the historical record, you would wake up and smell the Creator's evidence coffee. Fine buz. If anyone can ever come across a fulfilled prophecy, maybe you can start a thread on it.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 240 of 300 (296101)
03-16-2006 9:57 PM
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Reply to: Message 238 by Buzsaw
03-16-2006 9:49 PM
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The Epistle of buz
That's nice buz. I have never doubted that you believe all that. But what does it have to do with the thread? If GOD exists, She exists regardless of any evidence that She does not exist, or regardless of whether anyone doubts She exists. If GOD does not exist, It does not exist regardless of any evidence that It does exist, or regardless of whether anyone believes It exists. Discussing whether there is proof GOD exists or evidence that shows GOD does not exist is simply mental masturbation.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 243 of 300 (296104)
03-16-2006 10:11 PM
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Reply to: Message 239 by ramoss
03-16-2006 9:51 PM
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Re: Individual proof?
The trouble with 'prophecy' is that it is often so vague almost anything can 'prove' it.. or it is written after the fact, or is decieded to be a prophecy after the fact, and shoehorned into place. Yup. It's an easy substitute for having to think about your faith. And it is all so pointless because in the end, it doesn't prove a damn thing either way and just makes the folk promoting them look silly.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 244 of 300 (296105)
03-16-2006 10:17 PM
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Reply to: Message 242 by Buzsaw
03-16-2006 10:07 PM
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Re: The Epistle of buz
Yup, you do keep saying that.
The thread is about evidence of God. Right? I'm saying ones who know him have evidence that unbelievers are not aware of and that unbelievers also have evidence which they reject, such as the prophecies. That's fine buz. I know you believe that. But you see, I happen to be a believer and yet every single prophecy you have ever presented has not held up to examination. If you think you have something that might fly, start yet another thread on it. Who knows, maybe it will be supportable.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 249 of 300 (296116)
03-16-2006 10:48 PM
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Reply to: Message 247 by Buzsaw
03-16-2006 10:43 PM
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wandering way OT again buz
The scripture says the devils believe and tremble, so simply saying "I happen to be a believer" doesn't cut it. When you believe most of scripture is fairy tales why should the prophecies or anything else miraculous or supernatural hold up to your examination? buz, all you have to do is start a thread and present your best argument in support of your position. Feel free to do so. Who knows, perhaps you can support one? The Isaiah 7 thread is open again and maybe there you can show how it's possible that it is refering to Jesus without wilfully ignoring all that is written in Isaiah 7 except one line?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 251 of 300 (296121)
03-16-2006 11:09 PM
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Reply to: Message 250 by Buzsaw
03-16-2006 10:58 PM
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Re: wandering way OT again buz
Jar, your mind seems to be set, limited to the natural, so another prophecy thread would likely be a waste of time, so far as convincing you of anything you're she/it god does supernaturally. I believe in GOD and what GOD can do and can see the evidence in things like Evolution and the wonders of what an amazing primate humans are. I certainly don't need fantasy or to ignore the evidence available or not use the brains GOD gave me. I believe in miracles, I believe in GOD and the Supernatural. I don't though have to pretend or makeup evidence to do so. As I have said, if you believe that you can support some prophecy as accurate, start a thread on it. You present your best argument, I'll put forward my best argument and we will let the readers make up their own minds.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 289 of 300 (296478)
03-18-2006 12:41 PM
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Reply to: Message 287 by AdminPD
03-18-2006 7:22 AM
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summary
The question of "What evidence absolutely rules out a Creator" or for that matter what evidence would rule in a creator is simply mental masturbation. If GOD exists, She exists regardless of any evidence that shows She does not exist. If GOD does not exist, It does not exist regardless of any exidence that It does exist.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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The Fall?
Evolution rules out the Fall. It also rules out the necessity of special creation. Hell, reading the Bible rules them out too. LOL
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar
Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 297 of 300 (296494)
03-18-2006 2:16 PM
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Reply to: Message 295 by Phat
03-18-2006 2:12 PM
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Re: so what evidence absolutely rules out a Creator?
What does that have to do with what I posted? I thought I was specifically ruling the Bible in in my reply?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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