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Faith 
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Message 174 of 300 (295664)
03-15-2006 5:53 PM
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03-15-2006 5:49 PM


Re: What other Gods?
Neanderthals were human beings. I'm sure of it.

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Message 184 of 300 (295729)
03-15-2006 7:58 PM
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03-15-2006 7:54 PM


Re: What other Gods?
I doubt they believed in the Fall.

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Message 235 of 300 (296091)
03-16-2006 8:58 PM
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03-16-2006 7:37 PM


robinrohan the true rationalist?
What a puzzle. A nihilist who believes in evolution has all the evos on his case while the Biblical fundamentalists are his fans (Iano and me).
My theory is that you are the only true rationalist among the evos. Maybe there's a better word for it but that's the one that occurs to me. And I think it also illustrates that Biblical fundamentalism is the height of rationality, despite all they say against us, which is why we appreciate you. But it certainly is odd.
Of course in saying this I'm insulting everybody else here and they certainly aren't going to agree with me.
But what else is new?
May your clear thinking be Christ's way of leading you to Him.

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Faith 
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Message 252 of 300 (296127)
03-17-2006 12:49 AM
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03-16-2006 10:18 PM


Re: robinrohan the true rationalist?
You are writing over my head now, Iano. I'm not sure I'm following much of what you are saying.

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Message 257 of 300 (296159)
03-17-2006 8:55 AM
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03-17-2006 2:25 AM


Re: robinrohan the true rationalist?
There's no puzzle at all. Robin Rohan, like you, has a closed mind and refuses to accept any possible reconciliation between Christianity and science, even though he cannot defend his position.
It's becoming clear that nobody can actually defend a position on this subject. Neither can you. It's nothing but a battle of assertions on both sides. So I shall make my assertion again:
Robin Rohan has a remarkably rational mind for an infidel. It's fun to read his stuff. He has ascertained LOGICALLY that evolution and Bible believing Christianity are mutually contradictory. (This isn't about "science" at all, only evolution.) The idea of a good God can't be reconciled with a suffering creation. I think that's a brilliant point of his. My own argument focuses on the literal reading of Genesis 1-11 of course, and there's no way to reconcile that with evolution. How anyone could argue with that I don't know but the case is obvious so the argument has to be irrational.
Why should it be a puzzle that people clinging stubbornly to the same error should agree ? Thus the connection between your views is not rationality, but a shared irrationality.
Tch tch, just another irrational statement.
Even worse for your case your position of placing your personal beliefs above sicnce is not rational and is not shared with Robin.
Evolution, not science. OE, not science. Yes, he believes in evolution. Yes, he believes there is no God.
Thus there is no basis for any claim that Biblical Fundamentalism is rational on the basis of this discussion - even without considering the internal irrationality of fundamentalism. That you should make such a claim is irrational in itself, and thus the very assertion is self-defeating.
Well Paul, this whole thing is just a war of assertions, haven't you noticed? That's all this post of yours is too. This is rational, that is irrational etc. Some of it has been proved, but what's amazing is that even the proofs are ignored. So in the end it's just a war of sensibilities. There's no arguing that really.
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Faith 
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Message 260 of 300 (296164)
03-17-2006 9:05 AM
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03-17-2006 9:00 AM


Re: robinrohan the true rationalist?
You TOOK an Alpha course yourself before you were a believer then?
Thanks for the observations. Much clearer. One can hope.
I looked at the site briefly. I'll look again.
And thanks for the reminder of St Patrick's Day. Sometimes people make a big thing about how it's supposedly a Catholic Day. But St Patrick was a Christian evangelist and it's good to celebrate him.

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Message 262 of 300 (296167)
03-17-2006 9:10 AM
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03-17-2006 9:08 AM


Re: robinrohan the true rationalist?
Just another assertion Schraf. It's all just assertions.
People even give illogical logical proofs. It's remarkable.
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Faith 
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Message 272 of 300 (296188)
03-17-2006 10:02 AM
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03-17-2006 9:33 AM


Re: robinrohan the true rationalist?
Great story. I hope I get to see someone convert some day. See them become a "gusher." I've only heard stories, including my own, seen the aftereffects. But the transformation, that I want to see.

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Message 283 of 300 (296424)
03-18-2006 1:25 AM
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03-18-2006 1:11 AM


Re: Is there a topic here?
The other flaw (and I think that jar may have been trying to make this point) is that logical proofs don't in fact prove anything about the real world.
If they don't, we can know nothing.
Yes, yes, yes, absolutely, right on.
Now watch everybody deny it.
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