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Faith
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Message 91 of 96 (293996)
03-10-2006 12:46 PM
Reply to: Message 89 by LinearAq
03-10-2006 12:41 PM


Re: Early Church Observances
This makes a certain sense especially if they wanted to distance themselves from the Jewish community. However, I don't see any reference in the Bible about shifting to Sunday. Is the day of worship required to be on the day of the Sabbath?

The shift is merely reported, not analyzed, but the whole teaching that all things were fulfilled in Christ is certainly relevant, and that He is our rest, and that He is the Lord of the Sabbath. There really isn't a Sabbath observance mentioned as such in the New Testament at all, unless I'm very mistaken, merely worship on the first day of the week, which is why I'm confused about whether it is to be taken as a Sabbath at all.

Oddly perhaps, I can understand the keeping of the Sabbath to apply to NONbelievers more than to believers, as it is a Creation Ordinance -- God rested on the seventh day -- as well as emphasized in the Ten Commandments. WHICH day of the week in a Christian nation would still perhaps be debateable, but a day of rest does seem to be called for for the entire human race.

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arachnophilia
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Message 92 of 96 (294391)
03-12-2006 12:36 AM
Reply to: Message 35 by ReverendDG
03-08-2006 2:35 AM


Re: no more literalists?
so does that mean you believe there was a flood?, or that its a story or what?

uh, sort of. i think the circumstances are probably favourable that the flood story is an incredibly distorted account of a real (though smaller) event. some have suggested the flooding of parts of mesopotamia, and the filling of the black sea, both of which we have geologic records of. but floods are common.

or do you mean such as if it says the snake was cursed by god to move on its belly then its about a snake and not satan?

more of the second. i try not to read things into the text that aren't there. we might be able to abstract some symbolism regarding satan from the snake. but when it says snake, it means snake.


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Message 93 of 96 (294399)
03-12-2006 1:38 AM
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03-12-2006 12:36 AM


Re: no more literalists?
Ah, ok i understand now, so you do not add things to the text from other sources, such as say a church father or some sort of tradition that is nonbiblical
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robinrohan
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Message 94 of 96 (294481)
03-12-2006 11:18 AM
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03-08-2006 5:49 PM


Re: Problems with the OP
two biblical literalists could concievable have differing views as to the teaching and meaning of the bible?

Certainly.

I would suggest that "in the beginning" remains rather undefined.
the beginning of what? the beginning of God? the beginning of time?
does this then suggest that this is a fable?

That's not quite the same thing. It refers to the beginning of the universe. There's no other way to express it.

The beginning of Job sounds like a fairy tale--to me.

"There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job . . ."

Was "Uz" a real place?


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Message 95 of 96 (294485)
03-12-2006 11:31 AM
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03-12-2006 11:18 AM


Re: Problems with the OP
I don't think so.

And, the name JOb (Iyov) also is a generic term similar to 'adam' in meaning 'man'.


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arachnophilia
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Message 96 of 96 (296534)
03-18-2006 9:06 PM
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03-12-2006 1:38 AM


Re: no more literalists?
Ah, ok i understand now, so you do not add things to the text from other sources, such as say a church father or some sort of tradition that is nonbiblical

i guess that's a way to phrase it. i do listen to opinions and read interpretations. but if it requires a lot of stretching of the text, or doesn't fit the context/details, i don't accept it.


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