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"...except in the case of rape or incest."

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Message 225 of 301 (296570)
03-19-2006 9:27 AM 		Reply to: Message 224 by Silent H
03-19-2006 8:48 AM

Re: labelling everything rape is not healthy
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While sex is "initimate", a rape is not.
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All person to person, hands-on violence is incredibly intimate.
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Message 227 of 301 (296574)
03-19-2006 10:37 AM 		Reply to: Message 226 by Silent H
03-19-2006 10:35 AM

Re: labelling everything rape is not healthy
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Violence against a person regardless of sexual nature is not differentiable based on a concept such as "intimacy".
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I agree with that.
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"Personal" is maybe a better term to use.
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Message 268 of 301 (296851)
03-20-2006 4:24 PM 		Reply to: Message 245 by New Cat's Eye
03-20-2006 1:31 PM

Re: ringo goes off half-cocked
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The illegality would prevent the abortions,
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No, it wouldn't. At least, not significantly.
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The well-off have always been able to go to a foreign country (or locate a discreete MD in this country) to obtain a safe abotion when they need one while the poor have historically had only spotty availability and are still often are unable to obtain a safe abortion in a timely fashion.
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It would also result in an increase in a black market of illegal and dangerous "back-alley" abortions performed in unsanitary conditions by poorly- or untrained people. It would also increase the incidence of infanticide and the abandonment of infants.
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Abortion has always existed, CS.
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It's just a matter of if you want it to be available and safe for all, or just for the rich.
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Message 276 of 301 (296873)
03-20-2006 5:19 PM 		Reply to: Message 274 by New Cat's Eye
03-20-2006 5:00 PM

making abortion illegal won't stop abortion
Making abortion illegal will only send many thousands of girls and women to jail for murder, and do all the other things I listed in this message
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I know you are dealing with several people in this thread, but I think it's important for a person such as yourself, who advocates making abortion illegal, to deal with the inevitable consequences.
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So, if you could kindly outline how you think we should deal with them after criminalizing abortion, I'd appreciate it.
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Message 294 of 301 (297004)
03-21-2006 7:24 AM 		Reply to: Message 280 by New Cat's Eye
03-20-2006 5:51 PM

Re: making abortion illegal won't stop abortion
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Well, if a law is passed, you expect the citizens to obey the law. If they don't then they are punished according to the law. If someone is going to ignore the law and do what they want anyway then they are punished, but you can't go back and punish the people that did the thing before it was made illegal.
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How does this answer the point of my post?
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You wrote:
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The illegality would prevent the abortions,
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And I replied:
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No, it wouldn't. At least, not significantly.
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The well-off have always been able to go to a foreign country (or locate a discreete MD in this country) to obtain a safe abotion when they need one while the poor have historically had only spotty availability and are still often are unable to obtain a safe abortion in a timely fashion.
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It would also result in an increase in a black market of illegal and dangerous "back-alley" abortions performed in unsanitary conditions by poorly- or untrained people. It would also increase the incidence of infanticide and the abandonment of infants.
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Abortion has always existed, CS.
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It's just a matter of if you want it to be available and safe for all, or just for the rich.
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Making abortion illegal will not prevent abortion.
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All it will do is make abortion unsafe for the poor and very expensive for the well-off.
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Abortion has always existed, CS.
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It's just a matter of if you want it to be available and safe for all, or just for the rich.
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Message 295 of 301 (297006)
03-21-2006 7:26 AM 		Reply to: Message 283 by crashfrog
03-20-2006 6:25 PM

Re: making abortion illegal won't stop abortion
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Yeah, and that's why nobody ever downloads mp3's or movies from the Internet.
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...or drives even one mile per hour above the speed limit.
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