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Author Topic:   Should the Bible contain the Old Testement?
ReverendDG
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Message 11 of 32 (296700)
03-20-2006 2:29 AM
Reply to: Message 10 by DeclinetoState
03-20-2006 2:12 AM


Re: Context
the problem with this is that though the NT used context from the OT, the authors of the NT got them wrong. It comes down to why the jews don't believe jesus was the messiah, because a person, even a layman versed in OT scripture knew that jesus written in the NT doesn't fit the messiah. from what i understand its the reason the author of matthew had problems converting jews to christianity
IMO they have the OT as part of the bible as background or proof that the NT is right to convince people with no understanding of jewish doctrine or what jews believe, that not only the NT is right but the OT backs it up!
which is wrong since what people consider "messiah" prophecys are fabrications at best

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ReverendDG
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Message 16 of 32 (296985)
03-21-2006 1:35 AM
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03-20-2006 7:38 AM


Re: Context
I thought more about this, if you do not require jesus to be the messiah, but still be the son of god the NT still works, but if jesus has to be the messiah you must have the OT in there as background for people to claim jesus is messiah.
if we determin that the jewish writers are the authority on what the OT says and jesus and the NT doesn't fit the bill then its wrong
if christians do not claim that jesus is the jewish messiah then the OT is not needed
lots of people claim to be the son of god, kings,religious leaders, nuts
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ReverendDG
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Message 19 of 32 (297217)
03-22-2006 5:27 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by Philip
03-21-2006 9:49 AM


Re: Old Commandment replaced? Love Self First?
(1) From a legalistic viewpoint: That Jesus thoroughly quoted the OT (probably more than anyone) might be another indication for OT 'exhibits'.
how do you know this? any evidence for this assertion?
(1) I'm not sure the simplified OT Jewish religion (i.e., 'Love God and neighbor') is a viable mechanism anyway, as it denies Christ: that Jesus is not the Redeemer, the Atonement, the Gospel, the Resurrection, the New Life, etc.
huh? why does it deny christ? because it doesn't require his death to be the center of the religion? its not the center though. of course the jewish religion doesn't need jesus, the jews don't beleive he is the son of god or the messiah
(2) The OT seems dead as far as carnal ordinances are concerned. It seems even dead to most Jews who don't observe and obey those fastidious sacrifical ordinances.
maybe to you, but its a great book to learn about religious history if you are a jew, and why would they practice laws that conflict with social laws?
(3) Evangelically, It might be argued that the NT Gospel does not require OT exhibits, at all. I.e., Romans, John, Revelation, and Hebrews are *key* evangelical writings.
if you require that jesus is the jewish messiah then yes you do, but if you don't think you need it and he is not the messiah then theres no point to having it in there

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