brennakimi writes:
revelation is clearly a purposeful incantation of ancient mythologies meant to convey a certain immediate point. whether this point is the fall of rome under nero or some other, it is certainly not consistent with the rest of the bible and most definitely not consistent with the rest of jesus' teachings. if nothing else, it is the completion of the attempt to meld jesus with the promised military savior that the jewish messiah was supposed to be. it is a weak and bizarre rebuttal.
Purpledawn writes:
Given that there was roughly 700 years between the Isaiah verse and John's vision, a lot changes over time.
Just because a dragon/serpent is used to symbolize Satan in John’s vision, doesn’t make the serpent/snake in the Garden, Satan.
Sometimes a snake is just a snake.
I am questioning the idea of Biblical literalism in my own personal walk of faith. Despite what many literalists say, there does seem to be sketchy details surrounding the early stories of Genesis and the much later books of the New Testament. Many philosophical concepts are introduced in the Bible, and many
other philosophical concepts have been discussed throughout the history of humanity.
People liken the snake and the story of the Fall as indicative of the concept of free will. Maybe the snake
was "just a snake", but regardless whether Genesis was literal or a symbolic collection of early writings, it can be argued that the ideas and cultural yearnings of that day and age were adequately explained in the first book of the Bible and that a foundation for faith was suggested.
RC Sproul writes:
There can be no doubt that human beings do make choices. I am choosing to write, you are choosing to read. I will to write, and writing is set in motion. When the idea of freedom is added, however, the issue becomes terribly complicated...Even the most ardent
Calvinist would not deny that the will is free to choose
whatever it desires. Even the most ardent
Arminian would agree that the will is not free to choose what it does not desire.
If the snake is just a snake, and the stories are just stories, the philosophies and questions of the early authors will be discussed and pondered for generations from now.
We know that the authors of Genesis were many many years removed from the author(s) of Revelation.
We do not know the events that inspired the authors to record what they had observed or were taught. Literalists assume that the entire Bible was inspired by One Spirit. Genesis may have been written for us if the authors intended folk to read it.
Similarly, Revelation may have been written for folk to read. But were these books...(and the snake...and the Dragon...) written as stories to our souls and questing hunger for spiritual enlightenment?
This message has been edited by Phat, 03-25-2006 07:21 AM
Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties either, but right through every human heart, and through all human hearts. This line shifts. Inside us, it oscillates with the years. Even within hearts overwhelmed by evil, one small bridgehead of good is retained; and even in the best of all hearts, there remains a small corner of evil. --Alexander Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago