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riVeRraT

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Message 1 of 18 (297019)
03-21-2006 9:04 AM

For me, my feeling of self has led me to believe in God.

I think therefore I am.

I attribute my feeling of self to my spirit, which was created by God.

I see that others in here, who may or may not believe in God, also have a feeling of self. There even seems to be some sort of separation of science and this feeling of self, in that people have responded that science cannot explain all things, like right and wrong, and purpose in life. Subjective things.

My question is, what do you attribute your feeling of self to?
What gives us the freedom of thought, or free will that say maybe a tree doesn't have?

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riVeRraT

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Message 7 of 18 (297164)
03-21-2006 10:55 PM

Reply to: Message 2 by ramoss
03-21-2006 12:32 PM

just me.

That's all I'm talking about, just you, and where do you think your feeling of self comes from.

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riVeRraT

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Message 8 of 18 (297165)
03-21-2006 10:57 PM

Reply to: Message 3 by sidelined
03-21-2006 12:53 PM

The impression of a self floating in the skull as though it were a seperate entity is an illusion produced by the activity of the brain in concert with a lack of neural feedback to allow the brain to sense itself.

So would you categorize it as objective? Since you seem to have an objective explanation for it?

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riVeRraT

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Message 9 of 18 (297166)
03-21-2006 11:01 PM

Reply to: Message 4 by macaroniandcheese
03-21-2006 5:59 PM

i think a tree has the same free will.

In what sense?
Can it make decisions? Can it think for itself?
Does it wonder why he doesn't have legs?

all living things are fighting against chaos and will eventually fail. by passing our line on, we win the battle.

If I said that, I would be a ego maniac.

is there a god? does it matter? it doesn't make me any more or less alive to say there is or is not a god.

I don't understand, what does that have to do with my question?

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riVeRraT

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Message 10 of 18 (297170)
03-21-2006 11:08 PM

Reply to: Message 6 by robinrohan
03-21-2006 6:28 PM

Perhaps he is referring to what we might call the "argument from incorporeality." The mind is incorporeal, and thus could not have come from nature. So there exists something beyond nature from whence this incorporeal thing, the self, came.

No, I am not saying that. The mind could have very well have come from nature, but nature came from God, is my belief.

But it is more the spirit, the one I feel God gave me, and my soul.

Where in the body these things reside, remains to be seen. But I feel the difference between my spirit and soul, unless I am just schizophrenic. Like Slim shady, there is 3 sides to him.

But then there is always the question of if your mind gets damaged, does this affect your soul/spirit? I would say it affects your soul, but not your spirit. I have damaged my own mind enough, but yet my spirit remains unchanged.

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riVeRraT

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Message 15 of 18 (297257)
03-22-2006 8:48 AM

Reply to: Message 14 by robinrohan
03-22-2006 6:25 AM

It might be better for your argument if you didn't multiply all these entities.

It is not an argument. It's a question, and everyone can answer how they choose.

But I see inconsistencies in that people have claimed that science cannot explain all things, like purpose, and right from wrong, subjective things, yet some people try to objectively explain feeling of self here.