anti-abortion folks still get abortions

Priceless. It's like how all these super-conservative gay haters on the Right are all either gay themselves or have a close gay relative. I mean it's not even a cliche anymore, it's like a physical law.What I love is the woman who comes in to get her daughter an abortion, and the daughter asserts how she doesn't need contraception because she's going to wait until marriage. Like, what? I suppose you just fell out of a tree?I love too how all the anti-abortionists getting abortions call everyone around them murderers except themselves. Sorry, but hiring someone to kill someone is still murder.AbE: I should say - I don't actually love these things; they just give me a rueful sense of satisfaction at the thought of someone being exposed to the harsh reality that contradicts their cherished worldview.This message has been edited by crashfrog, 03-23-2006 05:11 PM

Different situation. These people are electing behaviors that they described as moral outrages in the past, and then continue to do so after the behavior, because they believe that nothing is immoral when they do it.In other words, hypocrites.

Actually, no. I try not to judge others for doing things that I myself am quite guilty of. I try not to do things that I believe are wrong, of course, and I usually don't except by mistake; recognizing this about myself, I take a liberal view towards the behavior of others.But then, I'm not a Christian.

No, actually the opposite is true. Pro-choice organizations continually and vocally lobby for improved access to birth control, sexual education, and other means that have a proven effectiveness in preventing unwanted pregnancy and the spread of STD's.On the other hand, not a single anti-abortion organization has come out in favor of birth control. Not a single one. Absolutely none of these organizations have lifted a finger in support of birth control, not ever.It's the anti-abortion crowd that does absolutely nothing at all to prevent unwanted pregnancy.

Some pro-life artist decided to "memorialize" Britny Spears and her act of reproduction (a feat that any two compatible idiots are, unfortunately, more than capable of) in the worst piece of sculpture I've ever seen: "Monument to Pro-Life: The Birth of Sean Preston"

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BROOKLYN (March 22, 2006) --- A nude Britney Spears on a bearskin rug while giving birth to her firstborn marks a ”first’ for Pro-Life. Pop-star Britney Spears is the “ideal” model for Pro-Life and the subject of a dedication at Capla Kesting Fine Art in Brooklyn’s Williamsburg gallery district, in what is proclaimed the first Pro-Life monument to birth, in April.

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Dedication of the life-sized statue celebrates the recent birth of Spears’ baby boy, Sean, and applauds her decision of placing family before career. “A superstar at Britney’s young age having a child is rare in today’s celebrity culture. This dedication honors Britney for the rarity of her choice and bravery of her decision,” said gallery co-director, Lincoln Capla. The dedication includes materials provided by Manhattan Right To Life Committee.

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“Monument to Pro-Life: The Birth of Sean Preston,” believed Pro-Life’s first monument to the ”act of giving birth,’ is purportedly an idealized depiction of Britney in delivery. Natural aspects of Spears’ pregnancy, like lactiferous breasts and protruding naval, compliment a posterior view that depicts widened hips for birthing and reveals the crowning of baby Sean’s head.

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The monument also acknowledges the pop-diva’s pin-up past by showing Spears seductively posed on all fours atop a bearskin rug with back arched, pelvis thrust upward, as she clutches the bear’s ears with ”water-retentive’ hands.

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From Just a moment...(not exactly safe for work, or for any sense of asthetic you might possess - it's hideous - from the angle they don't show, apparently there's an obvious portrayal of little Sean "crowning" out the backside of Ms. Spears)Best rejected title for the piece: "The sex doll I was making but somebody caught me so now I'm pretending it's a Britney Spears monument". Some immediate objections to the piece:1) Ms. Spears isn't exactly a wholesome role model.
2) You can't give birth in the downward facing dog posture.
3) Even if you could, the piece is inaccurate - Spears' delivery was by surgical elective C-section.Being made of malleable clay, I give this monstrosity about a week before it's defaced in several fairly obscene ways.

No, actually, it causes these issues. Frequent sexual activity is connected to reduced stress, less incidence of depression, and in general, more healthy living. Steve Carell is your model for a life with no physical or mental issues?

What leads you to believe that's an erroneous assumption? I mean, the way it is now, men have three options - permanent vascetomy, condoms that interfere with sexual sensation or may trigger latex allergies, or rely on his partner's responsibility in following a birth control regimen.I hate - hate - to see men so casually dismiss the idea of male birth control. What, you don't think men deserve reproductive choice?

I guess I don't understand this line of argumentation. What do the people who aren't responsible have to do with the men who want some kind of transparent birth control? And what does the woman have to do with it?Like I said I'm simply not following what you're trying to say, here. Men who aren't responsible won't bother with birth control at all. Men who do want better birth control are, by definition, more responsible. I don't see how irresponsible men have anything to do with it at all.

Yes. Why shouldn't I? What causes you to believe that the fetus has any more human self-awareness than the mouse? Or that an unwanted fetus has any more right to live in someone's body than mice have a right to live in someone's house?What your quote fails to mention, by the way, is that D&E is rarely used. It's rarely necessary when abortions can be chemically induced. The few times that D&E is necessary is when the mother's health is directly threatened or when legal obstructions to abortion delay her access to the procedure. That's right - as awful as they find the procedure, anti-abortion groups have caused far more D&E abortions than they have prevented. How's that for ironic?

Well, if you say so.A lot of people aren't kidding, though, and honestly this is something its time we stopped joking around about. Every pharmaceutical company has a male birth control formula that works, but not a single one of them has put anything forward into FDA trials because they don't believe they have a product that anyone will buy.

Mm-hm. And I'm supposed to just take your word for that? Yeah? The most fucked-up guy I know was a 27-year-old virgin. He was the exact opposite of pure. He was like a starved animal. Politically and theologically, you'd probably like him.If I ever meet him again, and he lives afterwards, it will be the result of a considerable act of will on my part. Well, there's your problem right there. Sex doesn't cause disease. Ah, right, of course - because sex is physiologically different when the participants are married.

Spiritual death, as I understand it; but beyond that, God has also dictated that any woman who wants an abortion need merely drink a draught created from, among other things, the dust of a temple floor, and God will provide her with an abortion. The temple priest is supposed to help with this procedure.God's will is that human beings have the right to reproducive choice. That's the inescapable conclusion of the Bible.

What health issues? Well, of course it would - all humanity would be extinct. There'd be no hosts for the virus. Ah, right. Because the only two options are total abstinence or profligate promiscuity. You really don't know anything about sexual intercourse, do you? "Hey, it causes babies to appear - why couldn't it cause a virus to appear, too?"

Oh, sure. That's completely reasonable. The study of life? Absolutely irrelevant to science. Has nothing to do with it.

Numbers 5. Can't be more specific.