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Kapyong
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Message 197 of 211 (283987)
02-04-2006 6:38 PM
Reply to: Message 100 by gene90
01-15-2002 12:08 PM


Greetings,
A minor nit-pick -
The Council of Nicea had NOTHING to do with choosing the books of the Bible - it's an urban myth.
Iasion

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Message 198 of 211 (283990)
02-04-2006 6:46 PM
Reply to: Message 196 by inkorrekt
02-04-2006 5:18 PM


Re: The Basis????????
What is this consensus and on what basis did the come to this consensus?
This consensus is the opinion of the scientific community. They arrived at this consensus because the evidence is so compelling.

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Message 199 of 211 (284082)
02-05-2006 2:29 AM
Reply to: Message 196 by inkorrekt
02-04-2006 5:18 PM


Alternate links to the SJ Gould article
Just adding a note that back in message 3, I have supplied alternate links to the Stephan Jay Gould article on evolution as a fact and evolution as a theory. The link I originally posted is no longer good.
Also, please note that the bulk of the previous messages in this topic are from 3 plus years ago.
Moose

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inkorrekt
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Message 200 of 211 (285882)
02-11-2006 6:34 PM
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01-10-2002 11:24 PM


Can you explain what the Mediocre Ph.D's from prestigious universities have contributed to the advancement of Science? I am no supporter of Dr. Hovind. As I see, Plagiarism, cooking up results are very common as our tenure systems and other requirements demand them to do unethical things just to hang on to their jobs. This is wrong. But, that is the way the system runs.

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Message 201 of 211 (285999)
02-12-2006 5:17 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by redstang281
01-11-2002 12:20 PM


Kent Hovind
I am not a supporter of Dr. Hovind. Here is a man who has the courage to throw a challenge to the academic elites knowing fully well that he would be put in alion's den only to be attacked by them. He did something like this because of the strength of his convictions. He is fully convinced that Evolution is a theory just as Creation is. No one can prove either views. Instead of taking a neutral view on these issues, we are all forced to accept only Evolution as facts. This is where the problem is. Why cannot the Scientisits be open and honest about this? They do not have the courage to say that they do not know if they really do not. They also do not have the courage to state that there is no answer. Instead of this, they always try to project something that is as mythical as Creation to the world.When I see all the evidence presented to me, it is nothing more than Magic. We cannot have magic in Science. Yet, this is what we have been and we are still told.
Dr. Hovind has been said to have obtained his Ph.D from a paper mill university. I do not know what this is. Then what about those Mediocre Ph.D's from prestigious universities who accomplish nothing except publishing worthless papers? This is accepted very well. Why?
This man has the passion about what he believes. The offer of $250,000 is a Symbolic challenge. It is not the money. But, it is the challenge that matters. It should not be difficult for our well known "Scientists" to provide evidence to prove that Evolution occured and is still occuring.Why is it that no Evolutionist has ever challenged him? If they find that there is a problem with the judges, than justice needs to be served.
Well, unless someone can come up with the challenge and end this debacle, this will continue. In the meantime, everyone in this forum may verywell dig deep into wherever they can find evidence and present to the world instead of saying that this always occurs whithout showing how? when? and where?
We must either accept his challenge or LEAVE HIM ALONE.

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Message 202 of 211 (286004)
02-12-2006 5:32 PM
Reply to: Message 201 by inkorrekt
02-12-2006 5:17 PM


Re: Kent Hovind
quote:
This man has the passion about what he believes.
But not a shred of knowledge.

"Intellectually, scientifically, even artistically, fundamentalism -- biblical literalism -- is a road to nowhere, because it insists on fidelity to revealed truths that are not true." -- Katha Pollitt

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Message 203 of 211 (286017)
02-12-2006 6:19 PM
Reply to: Message 201 by inkorrekt
02-12-2006 5:17 PM


a return challenge for kent
The offer of $250,000 is a Symbolic challenge. It is not the money. But, it is the challenge that matters. It should not be difficult for our well known "Scientists" to provide evidence to prove that Evolution occured and is still occuring.
i have a challenge for dr. dino. and this one is absolutely real: in this thread omni posted bits of an article, including:
quote:
The Templeton Foundation, a major supporter of projects seeking to reconcile science and religion, says that after providing a few grants for conferences and courses to debate intelligent design, they asked proponents to submit proposals for actual research.
"They never came in," said Charles L. Harper Jr., senior vice president at the Templeton Foundation
free money for id research. any takers? because they didn't have any. it's not asking for absolute proof. it's not rigged. it's just asking for scientific research, period. no one even tried.
Why is it that no Evolutionist has ever challenged him?
i think if you look hard enough, you'll find a few who have, but couldn't get an impartial panel to judge, or were subject to various forms of suspicious ground rules. besides, the challenge is rigged -- it's not asking for proof of evolution, but proof of what this particular creationist's strawman concept of evolution is.


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Message 204 of 211 (286019)
02-12-2006 6:35 PM
Reply to: Message 201 by inkorrekt
02-12-2006 5:17 PM


OT question re paper mills
Dr. Hovind has been said to have obtained his Ph.D from a paper mill university. I do not know what this is.
Would please restate what you experience in acedemia has been?
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Message 205 of 211 (286020)
02-12-2006 6:37 PM
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02-12-2006 5:17 PM


Showing how, etc.
In the meantime, everyone in this forum may verywell dig deep into wherever they can find evidence and present to the world instead of saying that this always occurs whithout showing how? when? and where?
We must either accept his challenge or LEAVE HIM ALONE.
Exactly what questions have you asked that haven't been answered?

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crashfrog
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Message 206 of 211 (286027)
02-12-2006 7:14 PM
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02-12-2006 5:17 PM


Re: Kent Hovind
This man has the passion about what he believes. The offer of $250,000 is a Symbolic challenge.
His challenge has been met but he's refused to pay.
I guess, what that says about his character is up to your judgement.

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Coragyps
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Message 207 of 211 (286037)
02-12-2006 7:53 PM
Reply to: Message 200 by inkorrekt
02-11-2006 6:34 PM


Can you explain what the Mediocre Ph.D's from prestigious universities have contributed to the advancement of Science? I am no supporter of Dr. Hovind. As I see, Plagiarism, cooking up results are very common as our tenure systems and other requirements demand them to do unethical things just to hang on to their jobs.
I beg your fucking pardon? On behalf of my classmates of back when from the chemistry PhD program at the Ohio State University, I sorta take exception to that paragraph. Please document your charge of plagiarism as "very common" or withdraw it, Inkorrekt.
And yep, I'm a mediocre PhD, but part of the gasoline you put in your car gets there because of things I've done in my research career.

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DeclinetoState
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Message 208 of 211 (297812)
03-24-2006 1:45 PM
Reply to: Message 197 by Kapyong
02-04-2006 6:38 PM


Nicaea
The First Council of Nicaea, convoked by the Roman Emperor Constantine the Great in AD 325, was the first ecumenical conference of bishops of the Christian Church.
The purpose of the council (also called a synod) was to resolve disagreements in the Church of Alexandria over the nature of Jesus in relationship to the Father: in particular whether Jesus was of the same or of similar substance as God the Father.
More at Wikipedia.
The Council of Trent formally accepted the Apocrypha:
The doctrinal acts are as follows: after reaffirming the Niceno-Constantinopolitan Creed (third session), the decree was passed (fourth session) confirming that the deuterocanonical books were on a par with the other books of the canon (against Luther's omission of these books in his translation) and coordinating church tradition with the Scriptures as a rule of faith. The Vulgate translation was affirmed to be authoritative for the text of Scripture.
Wikipedia article on Trent.
Hope this gets rid of any urban legends that Iasion was nit-picking.
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Never overestimate the intelligence of someone who thinks you're wrong.

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inkorrekt
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Message 209 of 211 (304428)
04-15-2006 1:01 PM
Reply to: Message 137 by joz
02-12-2002 5:53 PM


Proof of gravity
There was a Professor who always denigrated all christians who believed in God. Students of faith were very frustrated. The students began to pray for something to happen. Oneday, the Professor threw a challenge. He held aglass of water in front of him.He said,"I am going to let this glass go. This is going to fall down and crack.This is reality. IF there is a God, let Him stop this". The students once again began to pray. The Professor dropped the glass. To everyone's amazement, the glass did not break.How could it happen? The glass fell on the Professor's shoe. This can be interpreted in anyway. But, one fact is true. GRAVITY is no longer a theory since Newton's discovery. The next fact is, it can be verified all the time anywhere. The next fact is the Professor became a Christian.
Hard to believe. Yet true.
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inkorrekt
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Message 210 of 211 (304430)
04-15-2006 1:06 PM
Reply to: Message 141 by LudvanB
02-12-2002 6:11 PM


Evolution and gravity are like apples and oranges
Gravity is a well established law which can be verified all the time.
Evolution is still a theory. Much of the evidence is still missing. In Science we are very specific. We do not mix apples and oranges.
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Message 211 of 211 (304433)
04-15-2006 1:12 PM


Closing this old thread down.
Kent has enough problems just staying out of Jail and if he had $250K to pay out the IRS would certainly get first dibs.

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