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riVeRraT
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Message 16 of 301 (297735)
03-24-2006 5:50 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by Coragyps
03-23-2006 6:36 PM


What God Wants: Theological Atheism
Theological atheism: The belief that God exists, but he does not want us to believe in him.
God created evidence to prove that the universe, earth, and life came into existence and developed slowly by natural processes, without any apparent divine intervention. He left this evidence everywhere for us to discover”in the rocks, in fossils, in the DNA of all living things, and in outer space. Since God chose to hide his divine creative powers by using only natural processes that make him redundant, we can conclude he wants to remain invisible and not be acknowledged or worshipped.
Note: The common definition of atheism is "disbelief in or denial of the existence of God." At its root, however, atheism literally means "without God." Therefore, if you reject God from your life while still accepting that he exists, you could be called a theological atheist.
Theological atheism leaves you free to live your own life on your own terms, without guilt”but also without the bleakness many people associate with rejection of God and all things spiritual. As a theological atheist, you can have it all”the comfort of secretly knowing that God exists, belief in an afterlife if you want, and the confidence that you're doing exactly what God wants by living without him.
God was never a deceiver because he's a perfect moral being”even humble. He just prefers to be invisible, and evolution was his way of achieving that. He himself had to slowly evolve towards invisibility, in step with our own ability to comprehend his true nature. Now that we know better, we should respect what God wants”ignore his existence and live without him. We should adopt theological atheism.
She knows who God is!!!
Hats off to Eve, the heroic Biblical character who stood up to God and dared to reach for wisdom, truth, beauty, and good food; and to the serpent, who had the guts to tell the truth about God's lies, arrogance, injustice, and tyranny.
And a kick in the butt to Adam, that sniveling, finger-pointing, pusillanimous, brain-dead excuse for a husband.
And she likes men too!!
God forces people to believe in lies and then condemns them for it.
2 Thessalonians 2:11-12
Therefore God sends upon them a strong delusion, to make them believe what is false, so that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
She probably just described herself biblically.
She has no clue.
That's enough for now. Sorry, I do not agree with what this person, or her husband believes in. But I believe in the right to allow her to believe in whatever she wants. She has an agenda, I try not to.
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Message 17 of 301 (297741)
03-24-2006 6:50 AM
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03-24-2006 5:50 AM


If that's an agenda, then you have one too, and you're not trying very hard not to.

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Message 18 of 301 (297747)
03-24-2006 7:08 AM
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03-23-2006 5:21 PM


crimes and lobbying
I have committed crimes. They fall into two categories
1) I think they should be legal.
2) I think they should be illegal, and I accept that I have done wrong.
I haven't fervently lobbied for a currently legal activity to be made illegal, until I was affected by the issue, then gone ahead and engaged in the legal activity and indulged in 'special pleading' as to how I need to do this legal thing, its everybody else that shouldn't be doing it.

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Message 19 of 301 (297828)
03-24-2006 2:19 PM
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03-23-2006 4:41 PM


schrafinator writes:
This is some crazy shizzle.
On a related, but maybe slightly off-topic, note...how about the gutless politicians in Connecticut opting to NOT vote on a Bill that would have allowed rape victims access to emergency contraception at the hospital.
These types of people are truly horrible! What...do they think that a rape victim should be forced to carry to term, deliver, and then raise the child of the asshole that raped them? Maybe they think God sent the rapist to that woman for some future master plan of His. Personally, I think most of these people...never mind...I'd probably get suspended if I said what I think should happen to idiots like these.

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riVeRraT
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Message 20 of 301 (297842)
03-24-2006 3:43 PM
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03-24-2006 6:50 AM


Oh really? From that response I gave, can you explain logically what my agenda is? Or are you just saying that because I believe in God?

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docpotato
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Message 21 of 301 (297847)
03-24-2006 4:12 PM


So maybe the common phrase should be changed to: if abortion is outlawed, only the outlaw-ers will get abortions.

nator
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Message 22 of 301 (297859)
03-24-2006 5:20 PM
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03-23-2006 5:32 PM


quote:
She looks like a crazy lady. Liberal supreme?
She looks like a nice lady to me.
Any comments on the content of the article mentioned in the OP?

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nator
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Message 23 of 301 (297861)
03-24-2006 5:22 PM
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03-23-2006 5:42 PM


quote:
Have you ever wished that a cop was around whilst you silently cursed a person doing something that you yourself have done...and probably will do again?
Er, no, not that I can recall.

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nator
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Message 24 of 301 (297862)
03-24-2006 5:23 PM
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03-24-2006 5:50 AM


So, do you have any comments on the article mentioned in the OP?

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nator
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Message 25 of 301 (297865)
03-24-2006 5:27 PM
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03-24-2006 3:43 PM


rat, stop.
RiverRat, if you are going to comment upon the content or implications of the article linked to in the OP, then please do so.
Otherwise, please stop derailing this thread.
The topic is; "anti-abortion activists still get abortions"

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Message 26 of 301 (297975)
03-24-2006 11:12 PM
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03-23-2006 4:41 PM


Very Interesting Article!
Thanks for posting this!
Apart from the hypocrisy, it makes a compelling case for the complexity of the abortion issue, and how oversimplifying it can help to confuse people.

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Firebird
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Message 27 of 301 (297977)
03-24-2006 11:22 PM
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03-23-2006 5:32 PM


Content, not looks or probable politics!
She looks like a crazy lady. Liberal supreme?
What she looks like is not relevant. From the article quoted in the OP
. .a study done in 1981 (1) found that 24% of women who had abortions considered the procedure morally wrong, and 7% of women who'd had abortions disagreed with the statement, "Any woman who wants an abortion should be permitted to obtain it legally." A 1994/95 survey (2,3) of nearly 10,000 abortion patients showed 18% of women having abortions are born-again or Evangelical Christians. .
Do you dispute what is in the article? And why do you believe that so many women (and fathers, from the anecdotes quoted) act against their beliefs on such a serious issue?

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riVeRraT
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Message 28 of 301 (298010)
03-25-2006 6:54 AM
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03-24-2006 5:27 PM


Re: rat, stop.
Someone accused me of having an agenda, without any proof, or explaining why. Isn't that against forum rules? Argue the point, not the person? No unwarranted claims?
If an admin is not going to come in here, and not set straight what the rules are to him, then I will defend myself, I see you decided to only pick on me, as usual, like you've never gone off-topic in any of your posts. EVER.

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riVeRraT
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Message 29 of 301 (298011)
03-25-2006 7:08 AM
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03-24-2006 11:22 PM


Re: Content, not looks or probable politics!
What she looks like is not relevant. From the article quoted in the OP
True.
Do you dispute what is in the article?
Absolutely I dispute it.
If I tried to tell you about Christianity, and said, hey there are 2 billion Christians in the world, Christianity is correct! What would your response be?
How do you base what is right and wrong on what people do?
I am sure there are just as many people who would vote for abortion, but would never consider getting one themselves. Are we counting them?
There is no strength in trying to make a group of people look like hypocrites. You willl only succeed in making them look like hypocrites, not actually make a logical arguement for what you stand for.
She's trying to say here, look, look! The anti-abortionists are getting abortions! It must be ok then, and they are lying!!
Since when are all catholics anti-abortionists?
And what about that 16 year old girl who one day got an abortion, and then the next day was outside protesting? You think she did that because she was for or against? Obviously there is another problem there, with her parents, and the real issue is not the abortion, but how her parents treat her.
Just like most unwanted pregnancies, the real issue is not the pregnancy, but getting pregnant. Abortion is not a cure for it, it's a band aid.
I am a plumber, if I came into your house, and you had a leaking pipe, that was rusted, and all I did was put some tape on it, you know it would leak again. You wouldn't hire me again. It would keep leaking, and I would keep fixing it, until it would fail completely, just like a womans uterus, the place where life begins, has now turned into nothing more than a sink trap, that we pour draino down to clean up when, oops! I got pregnant.
I am not talking about rape, or medical reasons here.
Most of these people who are for abortion, should be helping the world not have unwanted pregnancies, but you don't see that.


Exposing the lies, one truth at a time!

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nator
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Message 30 of 301 (298019)
03-25-2006 8:39 AM
Reply to: Message 28 by riVeRraT
03-25-2006 6:54 AM


Re: rat, stop.
quote:
Someone accused me of having an agenda, without any proof, or explaining why. Isn't that against forum rules? Argue the point, not the person?
Yes.
Argue the point, not the person.
So, your comments describing the author as "crazy" or whatever is not appropriate, and the fact that you have yet to address the article and point of the OP is also not appropriate.
If you wish to comment upon the article in the opening post, please do so.
What do you think about the fact that anti-aborion activists have abortions?
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