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riVeRraT
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Message 46 of 301 (298170)
03-25-2006 10:57 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by macaroniandcheese
03-25-2006 12:59 PM


Re: Content, not looks or probable politics!
Why must you talk with such an irratating tone?
Please explain to the peanut gallery when sex-ed was ever mentioned, and when I said it was a bad idea.
I happen to be for sex-ed, which I was one of the first students in NYC to take the course.
I never went to bible camp. You have no clue who I really am, so stop guessing. If we knew each other in real life, we would get along great. I get along with everyone.
yes. abortion is just a quick fix for a deeper problem.
Finally some truth, thank you. I agree.

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Omnivorous
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Message 47 of 301 (298174)
03-25-2006 11:03 PM
Reply to: Message 45 by riVeRraT
03-25-2006 10:52 PM


Re: rat, stop.
riVeRraT writes:
I went to her web-site and read up on exactly what she stands for. Her agenda is listed, mine is not, there-for it is not the same, and funkaloyd is blowing smoke.
riVeRraT
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No offense, rR, but Funk's read a lot of your words, too.

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crashfrog
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Message 48 of 301 (298202)
03-26-2006 12:14 AM


Speaking of Insane Pro-lifers
Some pro-life artist decided to "memorialize" Britny Spears and her act of reproduction (a feat that any two compatible idiots are, unfortunately, more than capable of) in the worst piece of sculpture I've ever seen: "Monument to Pro-Life: The Birth of Sean Preston"
quote:
BROOKLYN (March 22, 2006) --- A nude Britney Spears on a bearskin rug while giving birth to her firstborn marks a ”first’ for Pro-Life. Pop-star Britney Spears is the “ideal” model for Pro-Life and the subject of a dedication at Capla Kesting Fine Art in Brooklyn’s Williamsburg gallery district, in what is proclaimed the first Pro-Life monument to birth, in April.
Dedication of the life-sized statue celebrates the recent birth of Spears’ baby boy, Sean, and applauds her decision of placing family before career. “A superstar at Britney’s young age having a child is rare in today’s celebrity culture. This dedication honors Britney for the rarity of her choice and bravery of her decision,” said gallery co-director, Lincoln Capla. The dedication includes materials provided by Manhattan Right To Life Committee.
“Monument to Pro-Life: The Birth of Sean Preston,” believed Pro-Life’s first monument to the ”act of giving birth,’ is purportedly an idealized depiction of Britney in delivery. Natural aspects of Spears’ pregnancy, like lactiferous breasts and protruding naval, compliment a posterior view that depicts widened hips for birthing and reveals the crowning of baby Sean’s head.
The monument also acknowledges the pop-diva’s pin-up past by showing Spears seductively posed on all fours atop a bearskin rug with back arched, pelvis thrust upward, as she clutches the bear’s ears with ”water-retentive’ hands.
From Just a moment...
(not exactly safe for work, or for any sense of asthetic you might possess - it's hideous - from the angle they don't show, apparently there's an obvious portrayal of little Sean "crowning" out the backside of Ms. Spears)
Best rejected title for the piece: "The sex doll I was making but somebody caught me so now I'm pretending it's a Britney Spears monument". Some immediate objections to the piece:
1) Ms. Spears isn't exactly a wholesome role model.
2) You can't give birth in the downward facing dog posture.
3) Even if you could, the piece is inaccurate - Spears' delivery was by surgical elective C-section.
Being made of malleable clay, I give this monstrosity about a week before it's defaced in several fairly obscene ways.

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Message 49 of 301 (298213)
03-26-2006 1:13 AM
Reply to: Message 46 by riVeRraT
03-25-2006 10:57 PM


Re: Content, not looks or probable politics!
but it is a necessary freedom. the problem is getting pregnant. the solution is male birth control pills.

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arachnophilia
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Message 50 of 301 (298216)
03-26-2006 1:25 AM
Reply to: Message 49 by macaroniandcheese
03-26-2006 1:13 AM


Re: Content, not looks or probable politics!
the solution is male birth control pills.
that assumes that guys would be responsible. it takes two to get pregnant.


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PaulK
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Message 51 of 301 (298229)
03-26-2006 4:13 AM
Reply to: Message 44 by riVeRraT
03-25-2006 10:50 PM


Re: Content, not looks or probable politics!
The alternative is that they really do beleive that abortion is a monstrous crime but they don't care when it matters to them.
That doesn't seem any more charitable than assuming that they don't really believe that abortion is as bad as they say.
Why do you think otherwise ??

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riVeRraT
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Message 52 of 301 (298252)
03-26-2006 7:34 AM
Reply to: Message 47 by Omnivorous
03-25-2006 11:03 PM


Re: rat, stop.
No offense, rR, but Funk's read a lot of your words, too.
I took that into account.
My "agenda", is not an agenda.
My driving force in life is to try and love others, the way I love myself, and to forgive. It is not "Something to be done, especially an item on a program or list." Her's is.

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riVeRraT
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Message 53 of 301 (298253)
03-26-2006 7:37 AM
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03-26-2006 4:13 AM


Re: Content, not looks or probable politics!
That doesn't seem any more charitable than assuming that they don't really believe that abortion is as bad as they say.
Why do you think otherwise ??
I do not disagree that those people, according to "statistics" are in fact hypocrites. Each one having their own reasons for doing so.
But the same could be said for someone who doesn't care if others get an abortion, but would never get one themselves.
So it probably balances out.
That is why it is not a good point to argue.

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riVeRraT
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Message 54 of 301 (298254)
03-26-2006 7:42 AM
Reply to: Message 49 by macaroniandcheese
03-26-2006 1:13 AM


Re: Content, not looks or probable politics!
I am not against male birth control, but it is not the solution.
The solution is no sex.
Why do you think the Old Testament was so strict about having sex?
Virginity was held with the highest regard in life, and you weren't anything if you lost your virginity in a unpure, or not accepted way.
It really does solve a whole lot of physical, and mental issues.
Don't take this wrong, I am just pointing it out, not saying we should actually go back to the OT rules.
Ever see the movie 40 year old virgin?

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bob_gray
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Message 55 of 301 (298257)
03-26-2006 8:04 AM
Reply to: Message 42 by Omnivorous
03-25-2006 10:25 PM


Re: tyrany of the majority
quote:
Best argument? Perhaps not. But it remains a fact.
True enough.
quote:
but as to protecting the minority, I agree--they should not be required to have abortions, despite the obvious benefits to the rest of us.
Amen. Now this is much better way to frame the more/fewer argument.

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Chiroptera
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Message 56 of 301 (298259)
03-26-2006 8:24 AM
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03-26-2006 7:42 AM


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PaulK
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Message 57 of 301 (298261)
03-26-2006 8:45 AM
Reply to: Message 53 by riVeRraT
03-26-2006 7:37 AM


Re: Content, not looks or probable politics!
Somebody who doesn't want an abortion but allows others to get them need not be a hypocrite. They might be uncertain in their judgement or simply hold that it is a matter of personal choice.
The point - again - since you seem to have problems dealing with it is that the anti-abortion movement insists that abortion is a monstrous crime.
Why is it less charitable to say that people who belong to that movement and nevertheless get abortions do not really beleive that abortion is child murder, than it is to day that they really do beleive it and go ahead anyway ?
Accordign to you it is worse to say that they are supporting propaganda that they do not truly believe than to suggest that they do not think of child urder as a horrible crime or to say that they are prepared to commit horrible crimes themselves. Do you really beleive that ?o

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Coragyps
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Message 58 of 301 (298265)
03-26-2006 9:33 AM
Reply to: Message 54 by riVeRraT
03-26-2006 7:42 AM


Re: Content, not looks or probable politics!
Why do you think the Old Testament was so strict about having sex?
Virginity was held with the highest regard in life,
Not to try to derail the topic, but loss of virginity in the OT was an affront to the virgin's daddy or husband-to-be. You stoned the girl to death because of those property issues, not because of her base immorality. Read Leviticus.

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crashfrog
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Message 59 of 301 (298266)
03-26-2006 9:34 AM
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03-26-2006 7:42 AM


Re: Content, not looks or probable politics!
It really does solve a whole lot of physical, and mental issues.
No, actually, it causes these issues. Frequent sexual activity is connected to reduced stress, less incidence of depression, and in general, more healthy living.
Ever see the movie 40 year old virgin?
Steve Carell is your model for a life with no physical or mental issues?

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crashfrog
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Message 60 of 301 (298268)
03-26-2006 9:37 AM
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03-26-2006 1:25 AM


Re: Content, not looks or probable politics!
that assumes that guys would be responsible.
What leads you to believe that's an erroneous assumption? I mean, the way it is now, men have three options - permanent vascetomy, condoms that interfere with sexual sensation or may trigger latex allergies, or rely on his partner's responsibility in following a birth control regimen.
I hate - hate - to see men so casually dismiss the idea of male birth control. What, you don't think men deserve reproductive choice?

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