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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
So, you are a moral relativist, then, just like holmes? You believe that buggering little children, or infanticide, or taking females as property to be plundered as the spoils of war would be OK as long as "the times were completely different"? Sorry schraf, but buggering, infanticide, and taking females are not morals. The reasons for doing those things might be though. All those things still happen today.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
No , I am NOT asking you "if it is clear whether people who are against abortion, and actually get an abortion, do they think that it is not murder."
I am asking you whether it is a harsher judgement of them to say that they do beleive that abortion is child murder - and do it anyway - or if they do not really believe it, when it affects them, yet still go along with the party line. To my mind the first judgement is far harsher, and therefore the charitiable interpreation is to take the second line.
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nator Member (Idle past 2170 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
Brenna wrote:
You stoned the girl to death because of those property issues, not because of her base immorality. Read Leviticus. Then you replied:
quote: So explain to me why you said that in response to what Brenna posted. It surely seem to me that you were saying that in the past, stoning women who were adulterers might not have been all that bad, and that it's "all relative".
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
I am asking you whether it is a harsher judgement of them to say that they do beleive that abortion is child murder - and do it anyway - or if they do not really believe it, when it affects them, yet still go along with the party line. I think I answered that question by saying that yes, being a hypocrite, and a child murderer is worse. But it has nothing to do with the actual issue.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
It surely seem to me that you were saying that in the past, stoning women who were adulterers might not have been all that bad, and that it's "all relative". Stoning a woman is not a moral. Stop taking things out of context, something you bible haters love to do.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
From what I can tell you argued the reverse - that it was less harsh to say that they knowingly murdered a child, knowing that it was a horrible crime than to say that they didn't really beleive that that was what they were doing.
And I don't understand why anyone would say that, but you haven't managed to explain your point even now.
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sidelined Member (Idle past 5908 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: |
redseal
It is not I who is doing the advocating, it is the Lord God who has dictated His righteous laws. God has proclaimed that the wages of sin is DEATH. So how about we drop off all the men and women on death row and you can have sit down talk with God and see if you can get him to throw the switch eh?
Although listening to the moral cowards who preach tolerance towards sin, it would seem otherwise, wouldn't it? Yea, I mean, who can believe some of the crap that people preach eh? For example
But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. And this one
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; Thank GOD we have you to straighten us out hmmm ? Otherwise such liberal bullshit would somehow actually make it through to us and we would have to give up on the sweet taste of vengence. Would you care to throw the switch or inject the lethal cocktail redseal?
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1467 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
It is not I who is doing the advocating, it is the Lord God who has dictated His righteous laws. God has proclaimed that the wages of sin is DEATH. Spiritual death, as I understand it; but beyond that, God has also dictated that any woman who wants an abortion need merely drink a draught created from, among other things, the dust of a temple floor, and God will provide her with an abortion. The temple priest is supposed to help with this procedure. God's will is that human beings have the right to reproducive choice. That's the inescapable conclusion of the Bible.
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nator Member (Idle past 2170 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
Brenna wrote:
You stoned the girl to death because of those property issues, not because of her base immorality. Read Leviticus. Then you replied:
quote: So explain to me why you said that in response to what Brenna posted.
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ramoss Member (Idle past 612 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
I know that dust is speculated to be part of the component for 'bitter water'.
But, do we have any source that says what it really is?
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Silent H Member (Idle past 5819 days) Posts: 7405 From: satellite of love Joined: |
I was a teen who had sex.
And that means???
NO, because I don't go around trying to judge people.
My question was a response to your statement that you had judged virgins to exhibit some "purity" that others do not.
Yes, it does.
Sex causes disease? Can I ask which ones and what are the mechanisms? If you mean that diseases can be transferred during sex that is different than sex causes disease. Breathing can transfer plenty as well, but my guess is you don't say breathing causes disease. If you have two people of known health status, and they do not carry any diseases, and they have sex, no disease forms due to their having sex: yes or no?
That is why people never go to phsycologists about sex.
Again, sex itself is not a causative factor here. There are usually problems which effect sexual behavior, and that is why people seek help. People do not go insane because of sex.
Getting AIDS and dying would seem worse to me, but thats just me.
AIDs is caused by HIV, which is a virus. It is spread in many different ways. Do you say that blood transfusions cause AIDs, or that blood transfusions help people, though if the blood source contains HIV a patient may become infected?
It didn't help John Holmes health, and it never hurt Magic Johnsons carreer. Ask any woman who has VD, or vaginal warts, or a yeast infection.
John Holmes became infected with HIV through drug use. If I remember correctly at the time he contracted it he was no longer able to have sex because of drug usage. Magic Johnson contracted HIV through sex with a person who had HIV. If he had had sex with someone without HIV he would not have suddenly gotten it. It is unknown how the person he contracted it from got it. The other issues you mention are not caused by sex, they are viral or bacterial. Having sex with an uninfected person, or engaging in sexual acts which cannot allow transferral prevents one from getting anything. These issues do not suddenly spring forth abiogenetically because one has sex. Women are capable of having yeast infections without sex.
Show some links to your outrageous claims.
You made the claim, I questioned it. I look forward to your putting your money where your mouth is and posting links to support your outrageous claims. Lets start with HIV since you hyped it so much. Show where any study provides evidence the condition is caused by sex. holmes "Some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new dark age." (Lovecraft)
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Silent H Member (Idle past 5819 days) Posts: 7405 From: satellite of love Joined: |
I wrote my post carelessly, holmes, sorry.
Okay, but I want to make sure you understand I was not simply arguing that I did not think those were okay. I was also trying to make the point that what you wrote was not a relativist position either. You don't have to respond to this, unless you believe your position was accurate to relativism, and wish to argue that case. This message has been edited by holmes, 03-27-2006 07:15 PM holmes "Some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new dark age." (Lovecraft)
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3928 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
I know a few virgins, and they seem pretty healthy to me. They have a purity about them, that no-one else has.
do you judge this about people normally? it's kinda creepy.is this something you ask people right out? the thing i have noticed about virgins is that they 1)don't understand the complexities of human relationships 2)are painfully naive 3)believe that someday someone will whisk them away to a castle in the clouds 4)actually believe it when some guy says 'but i love you, baby.' 5)actually believe that love is something other than an evolved expression of the need of humans to group together to best ensure survival 6)are horribly intolerant of their former friends who decided that not being exposed to a penis was not in fact a state of bizarre mystical somethingorother. i don't tend to think about whether another person has had sex and i don't use it as a judgement of who they are or how they behave. some people are gullible and fall for anything. some are old and wise. i think your idea of purity being related to sex is a creepy one and that instead you should be concerned with what they think about. mind you. i think about sex less now than i did before i got popped. it was a bizarre obsession and, thankfully, now i'm over it. i wish my parents had not raised me in a "marriage only" house because that led me to fall for the first guy who fed me some crap about how he was gonna marry me. you know what messes up young people? people who lie. honest, open, safe sex between people who are capable of making such decisions without coercion leads to healthy attitudes and responsible sexuality. young people who are suckered in by older people, those who are raised to be ashamed and not discuss sexuality openly with their elders, and those who are too ashamed to go down to the store and buy a box of condoms have unhealthy, "messed-up" sex lives that cause mental instability, irresponsible sexuality, and unwanted pregnancies. abortion can help a "messed-up" girl take enough time to get some help and figure out what she needs and wants in life without throwing her into a situation she's not prepared to manage. but effective birth control is a much better option. not to mention better sex-ed and better parenting.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
It's all there.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
You make a lot of good points, but I think you read into my statement a bit too much.
What concerns me is that you relate your first sexual experience to being popped. Not that mine was any better, or was it all I think it should have been. It wasn't love, that's for sure. So all that just leads me to believe how sacred being a virgin really is. This message has been edited by riVeRraT, 03-27-2006 07:18 PM
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