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Author Topic:   Volcanoes: Evidence against YEC?
DeclinetoState
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Message 1 of 4 (298706)
03-27-2006 1:42 PM


From: Scott, Iverson, Vallance, and Hildreth, 1995, Volcano Hazards in the Mount Adams Region, Washington: USGS Open-File Report 95-492

During the past one million years, numerous volcanic vents were active throughout south-central Washington, from Vancouver to Goldendale. Most were probably active for relatively short times ranging from days to tens of years. Unlike Mount Adams, which has erupted repeatedly for hundreds of thousands of years, these vents typically did not erupt more than once. Rather, each erupting vent built a separate, small volcano, and over time a field of numerous overlapping volcanoes was created. Clusters of these vents define the Mount Adams, Indian Heaven, and Simcoe Mountains volcanic fields. In addition, the Goat Rocks volcanic center lies 30 kilometers (18 miles) north of Mount Adams. The Mount Adams and Indian Heaven fields have been the most active recently; the Simcoe field and the Goat Rocks center have not erupted for hundreds of thousands of years.
Mount Adams | U.S. Geological Survey
For those of you who believe in YEC (i.e., that the Genesis account is literally true, and the earth is less than 10,000 years old), how do you square your beliefs with what appears to be accepted fact above?
For those who believe in creation, but not YEC, you are free to join this dicussion; however, this thread is directed mainly toward those who insist the earth is no more than a few thousand years old.

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Message 2 of 4 (298730)
03-27-2006 2:37 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by DeclinetoState
03-27-2006 1:42 PM


Need more content or something
Interesting tidbits on information, but I don't see a debate topic here. I think we need more input from you before this can be promoted.
Most were probably active for relatively short times ranging from days to tens of years.
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Rather, each erupting vent built a separate, small volcano, and over time a field of numerous overlapping volcanoes was created.
At the risk of actually debating the topic, these little snippets, if taken outside of the greater context, offhand might be the type of things submitted as young Earth evidence.
Bottom line: More input from you, to sell this as being a debate topic.
Input from other admins welcome.
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Message 3 of 4 (298787)
03-27-2006 5:17 PM


From the same page
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From: Wood and Kienle, (eds.), 1990, Volcanoes of North America - United States and Canada: Cambridge University Press. Contribution by Donald A. Swanson
The Goat Rocks volcano is a deeply eroded, glaciated volcanic center in an area of wide-spread Pliocene and Pleistocene volcanism along the Cascade crest in southern Washington. Volcanism began approximately 3.2 million years ago with eruption of at least 650 meters of high-silica rhyolite tuff (perhaps a caldera fill), which is exposed on the east flank of the subsequent Goat Rocks volcano. The silicic volcanism ended approximately 3 million years ago, and olivine basalt was locally erupted onto the rhyolitic rocks. Soon thereafter lava flows of high-K2O andesite, dominantly pyroxene phyric but including flows with significant hornblende, formed the Goat Rocks volcano. The volcano was probably build between approximately 2.5 and 0.5 million years ago. Some large volume lava flows moved many kilometers downvalley away from the volcano. The most notable such flow is the 1.0 million-year-old Tieton Andesite, which advanced approximately 80 kilometers eastward down the ancestral Tieton and Naches rivers, and is the longest known andesite flow on Earth. Thick sections of flows with radial dips of 10-20 degrees surround the hydrothermally altered core of the volcano; the flows are cut by numerous dikes that define several sectors of a radial swarm. The Cispus Pass pluton occupies the southern part of the altered core and is questionable as young as 1 million years.
Geologists seem to have no difficulty accepting the fact that geological formations in the Cascades and elsewhere on earth are millions of years old, completely at variance with a "young earth" hypothesis. Do YEC's expect us to believe that all of these geologists are wrong?
The point of this thread should be the age of the earth based on geological formations, not a discussion of organic evolution, except as it may become necessary to further the topic.
A technical discussion of how the ages are arrived at should not be attempted, unless one is able to put the evidence into layman's terms. (This caution is, of course, subject to interpretation and flexibility, but common sense should prevail: if others here can't understand the point being made, it should be simplified or explained.)

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Message 4 of 4 (303098)
04-11-2006 3:53 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by DeclinetoState
03-27-2006 5:17 PM


Rejected, closed
Geologists seem to have no difficulty accepting the fact that geological formations in the Cascades and elsewhere on earth are millions of years old, completely at variance with a "young earth" hypothesis.
No disagreement from the non-admin mode.
Do YEC's expect us to believe that all of these geologists are wrong?
Apparently (non-admin mode perspective), the YEC's believe the geologists are wrong.
I just can't see this as a workable topic. Going to reject it.
Any comments on this action should go to the "Considerations..." topic, link below.
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