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riVeRraT
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Message 136 of 301 (299068)
03-28-2006 6:12 PM
Reply to: Message 131 by macaroniandcheese
03-28-2006 12:24 PM


Re: what's the difference between a pile of dead babies and a ferarri?
but it's only wrong to people who agree with you. it's not wrong to the rest of us.
What I meant is, that me feeling it is wrong, and you feeling it is right, is subjective.
Whether it is actually wrong or right remains to be seen. Would you agree?
I mean we have killed 40million already, what if some alien force came to us, and said, well your 40million short, so we are going to have to destroy you, and make way for an intergalactic highway.
and the fact that you want to put my life and health in jeopardy
??? I did not get you pregnant.
It's your problem, not mine.
You do understand that I am for abortion if medical conditions are present. I am not for it as a form of birth control.

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riVeRraT
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Message 137 of 301 (299071)
03-28-2006 6:13 PM
Reply to: Message 130 by macaroniandcheese
03-28-2006 12:12 PM


If I send my kids riding without a helmet, they won't get pregnant.
Where do you come up with this junk?

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riVeRraT
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Message 138 of 301 (299073)
03-28-2006 6:14 PM
Reply to: Message 129 by macaroniandcheese
03-28-2006 12:10 PM


Re: Content, not looks or probable politics!
do you think maybe your unhealthy attitudes toward sex are a result of this?
I do not have an unhealthy attitude towards sex, that is your subjective opinion. I love sex, I try to have it everyday.

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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 139 of 301 (299086)
03-28-2006 6:28 PM
Reply to: Message 136 by riVeRraT
03-28-2006 6:12 PM


Re: what's the difference between a pile of dead babies and a ferarri?
??? I did not get you pregnant.
It's your problem, not mine.
You do understand that I am for abortion if medical conditions are present. I am not for it as a form of birth control.
it is your problem. it is none of your business what my doctor and i decide is in my best health interests. pregnancy INHERENTLY causes medical conditions. it's not for the legistlature to make sweeping judgements about what medically necessary means. the determination of medically necessary should only be considered by myself and my physician. ONLY. period. end of discussion.

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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 140 of 301 (299087)
03-28-2006 6:29 PM
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03-28-2006 6:13 PM


they won't get pregnant, but they will get a head injury and possibly die. it's inherently risky behavior. why would you do that to your children?

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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 141 of 301 (299090)
03-28-2006 6:31 PM
Reply to: Message 138 by riVeRraT
03-28-2006 6:14 PM


Re: Content, not looks or probable politics!
I do not have an unhealthy attitude towards sex, that is your subjective opinion.
i think you do have an unhealthy attitude towards sex. you have this crazy idea that it affects people in different legal situations differently. is a woman who gets married and then ditched by a worthless husband any less badly off than a woman who has sex with a boyfriend who also later ditches her? no. sex and marriage do not change anything. it's people who deal dishonestly with each other.

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ringo
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Message 142 of 301 (299098)
03-28-2006 6:40 PM
Reply to: Message 136 by riVeRraT
03-28-2006 6:12 PM


riVeRraT writes:
??? I did not get you pregnant.
It's your problem, not mine.
Are you your brother's/sister's keeper? Yes you are.
It is your problem, whether you got him/her pregnant or not. It's everybody's responsibility.
It's just not your business.

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Message 143 of 301 (299132)
03-28-2006 9:06 PM
Reply to: Message 135 by riVeRraT
03-28-2006 6:05 PM


How could they?
Hi riVeRraT,
As Holmes implied, this article is more a collection of narratives than research, but the reason it interested me is because I could partly relate to it. As a teenager I would have been against abortion, but had no understanding of the issues; just found the idea repulsive. I never campaigned or joined any anti-abortion lobby.
As a young adult, however, I did have an early term abortion, and have not regretted doing so. Under the circumstances my becoming pregnant was both dishonest and manipulative (not to say that the other involved was better but still). Anyway, I saw the procedure more as righting a wrong, like returning to a store department after you’ve left it with an item unpaid for; embarrassing but still not as bad as leaving the store with it. . .
I did and do feel guilt, and therefore learned to understand much more about the whole complex issue. Now I will support any woman’s right to an informed choice.
Concerning the women who secretly had abortions and then returned to the picket line, I find it very hard to understand their thinking, and can only assume that they believe themselves unable to do without their support group.

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Message 144 of 301 (299157)
03-28-2006 11:24 PM
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03-28-2006 6:40 PM


the best part is that he was too thick to get my use of the term UNDUE BURDEN as a statement of legality.

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ringo
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Message 145 of 301 (299159)
03-28-2006 11:33 PM
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03-28-2006 11:24 PM


I think of my own intellect as mostly "thickness" punctuated by brief periods of clarity.
I try to keep the thick bits off the Internet.

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riVeRraT
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Message 146 of 301 (299167)
03-29-2006 12:23 AM
Reply to: Message 139 by macaroniandcheese
03-28-2006 6:28 PM


Re: what's the difference between a pile of dead babies and a ferarri?
pregnancy INHERENTLY causes medical conditions
No shit sherlock!!!
What causes pregnancy?
Now you can end it.

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riVeRraT
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Message 147 of 301 (299170)
03-29-2006 12:27 AM
Reply to: Message 140 by macaroniandcheese
03-28-2006 6:29 PM


they won't get pregnant, but they will get a head injury and possibly die. it's inherently risky behavior. why would you do that to your children?
Exactly!!!! Bingo!!!!!
So I make them where a helmet, so that won't happen. Cause if they hurt there head, they could not just go and get an abortion and make it all better.
If we treated the process that causes humans to exist, yourself included with half the respect of my child wearing a helmet, then people would stop having sex, unless they were married, otherwise cut your nuts, or tie your tubes.
BTW, abortion is a risky medical procedure also, but that one is ok, because it's not as bad.
Give me a break.

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riVeRraT
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Message 148 of 301 (299173)
03-29-2006 12:28 AM
Reply to: Message 142 by ringo
03-28-2006 6:40 PM


Are you your brother's/sister's keeper? Yes you are.
It is your problem, whether you got him/her pregnant or not. It's everybody's responsibility.
It's just not your business.
Thats just a bunch of BS also.

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riVeRraT
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Message 149 of 301 (299174)
03-29-2006 12:30 AM
Reply to: Message 144 by macaroniandcheese
03-28-2006 11:24 PM


the best part is that he was too thick to get my use of the term UNDUE BURDEN as a statement of legality.
If you have something to say about me, say it directly to me, not to ringo.
undue burden is not a statement of legality in the sense you are using it.
There's nothing undue about having consensual sex, and not expecting that a life may start to exist.
It's due.

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riVeRraT
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Message 150 of 301 (299178)
03-29-2006 12:39 AM
Reply to: Message 143 by Firebird
03-28-2006 9:06 PM


Re: How could they?
Hi firebird
As Holmes implied, this article is more a collection of narratives than research, but the reason it interested me is because I could partly relate to it. As a teenager I would have been against abortion, but had no understanding of the issues; just found the idea repulsive. I never campaigned or joined any anti-abortion lobby.
The title speaks for itself.
As a young adult, however, I did have an early term abortion, and have not regretted doing so. Under the circumstances my becoming pregnant was both dishonest and manipulative (not to say that the other involved was better but still). Anyway, I saw the procedure more as righting a wrong, like returning to a store department after you’ve left it with an item unpaid for; embarrassing but still not as bad as leaving the store with it. . .
That pretty much sums up how I felt about the abortion me and my fiancee agreed upon. So I can relate. Except now I feel bad about it. It nothing more than the fact that I did an act, a selfish act of pleasure, started alife form, and then never gave it a chance.
Where ever this whole prcess comes from, making babies, whether it's from God or not, I feel lucky to be able to experience it, and I took advantage of it.
You say you do not feel bad about it? You never even think about what that child might have been like? Could have been your best friend in the whole world, who loved you until your death bed.
I did and do feel guilt,
About having an abortion, or being anti-abortion (at first)?
Concerning the women who secretly had abortions and then returned to the picket line, I find it very hard to understand their thinking, and can only assume that they believe themselves unable to do without their support group.
I find it very hard to understand their thinking too, that is why I will not judge them. There is more than one issue going on there, and it may not even have anything to do with just abortion.

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