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In the begining...... nothing.... unless infinite past.

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03-19-2005 9:23 PM 		Reply to: Message 5 by Christian7
03-19-2005 9:14 PM

Re: Okay, Funkaloyd is up first.
Respond to Funk. He has the floor. If you don't reply to his post he doesn't get notified.
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03-29-2006 12:35 PM 		Reply to: Message 58 by sidelined
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Supersets and subsets
But if the qualities of God are supernatural then how can communication occur with the natural since this implies a natural means of alerting our physical senses?
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How does GOD being supernatural preclude GOD from also using natual means? Can not Supernatural be a superset that includes natural as a subset?
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03-29-2006 4:41 PM 		Reply to: Message 62 by sidelined
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Re: Supersets and subsets
I don't see that at all, sidelined.
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Someone could speak english and canadian, and when speaking to canadians uses just those words.
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Also, while we know that natural means cannot do those things we call supernatural, that does not mean that those things we call natural might not be done supernaturally.
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It's entirely possible that the whole set Natural is but a part of, a member of a larger set Supernatural.
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03-29-2006 5:14 PM 		Reply to: Message 65 by Posit
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Re: Supersets and subsets
No, not at all. I said supernatural is a superset.
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Supernatural: Of or relating to existence outside the natural world.
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Supernatural: Of or relating to actions or existence that cannot be explained by natural means.
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03-29-2006 6:54 PM 		Reply to: Message 69 by Posit
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So I try rewording.
What I mean is not a mathematical relationship. John can read and write fluently in 20 different languages. Paul speaks and reads english only.
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John's set of language capabilities is superior to Pauls. John though can also speak and read english, in addition to the 19 others.
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Supernatural may well include everything we call natural, but in addition, other things we cannot recognize or understand.
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03-29-2006 7:28 PM 		Reply to: Message 71 by Posit
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Re: So I try rewording.
yes, kinda.
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03-29-2006 7:47 PM 		Reply to: Message 73 by Posit
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Re: So I try rewording.
Not going anywhere much. Simply asking sidelined a question about his post.
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I happen to believe that GOD was the origin of at least what we call our universe, maybe more, but that is a personal belief, nothing more. It has little to do with cosmology other than the fact I listen to the cosmologists and say, "Oh, that's how GOD did it!"
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04-08-2006 9:55 AM 		Reply to: Message 75 by sidelined
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Re: Supersets and subsets
If they were done supernaturally then would they not, by definition, be supernatural?
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No, I don't think so. For example:
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Jesus performs a miracle and turns water into wine. Now the water is completely natural. The wine is completely natural. All test show that they are just exactly what they seem to be, water and wine. They are just natural objects. But the miracle itself is supernatutral. It is not subject to test or examination.
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What was water is now wine, and the best science can do is say that the cause is unknown.
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