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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3956 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
well. his brother was dead. it's called a kinsman redeemer. his job is to care for and provide a child to his relative's widow. it was to ensure that she would be cared for and not have to turn to unsavory crafts.
it's a nice sentiment but i'm not sure it would work in our monogamous culture. imagine if you had to take on your brother's three wives in addition to your own.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
brennakimi writes: imagine if you had to take on your brother's three wives in addition to your own. I have three brothers. Seeing their nine wives on Christmas and Thanksgiving will do me fine, thank you. (Best wishes to you and the lucky guy, by the way. Sounds to me like you're on the right track.) Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 444 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
there is absolutely no evidence that monogamy is best. lots of people around the world practice both polyandry and polygyny. there is no evidence that this has a negative effect on their cultures. there are men in cultures that still have bride-prices who will share a wife with a brother or close friend until they can each afford their own. having a wife in their culture enables them to have someone to assist them by feeding them while they work. this improves their output and their income. this is beneficial to them in spite of not being able to afford separate wives. in cultures that practice polygyny, there is often a high pregnancy mortality rate. so it is easier for a man to have enough children if he has many wives. these tend to be sheephearding peoples who need lots of people to watch the flocks. further, in these cultures, there is less feeling of ownership of the spouse and so jealousy isn't a problem. monogamy leads to jealousy which is very destructive. Oh, maybe you should sell yourself off and live that way then. This message has been edited by riVeRraT, 03-30-2006 04:10 PM
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 444 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
What punishment? We didn't do anything wrong. that's all i'm saying. so if you didn't do anything wrong, stop telling the rest of us that we are. This BS of taking things our of context must come to an end. Finish the story, and find out what happen afterwards.
no, because then you shouldn't be having non-procreative sex with your wife. huh?
the only thing that might support that is that weird verse about god killing the guy who pulled out. and that was because he sinned against his brother by not providing his brother an heir. not because he used the rhythm method. I am not sure, but isn't there a verse that explains what sex is for in the bible? Shows you how much I care about it biblically. It's only after learning the lessons in life that I started to understand why the bible says what it says. Which is the complete opposite from you. Good luck with your boyfriend, he's gonna need it, j/k
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Silent H Member (Idle past 5847 days) Posts: 7405 From: satellite of love Joined: |
First your sort of answer to my original question...
I feel pain from it, isn't that punishment enough?
Well I think it ought to be and that's why I asked my question. If you are for laws against abortion then you are saying that shouldn't be enough for others. Are you for laws against abortion? If so, why are you not trying to have yourself punished, rather than appealing to the fact that it happened to be legal at the time?
That's what they taught in sex-ed. monogamy is best.
I'm not sure who "they" are, but it doesn't stop diseases from spreading. And polygamy or simply sex with more than one partner in a lifetime has not been shown to have any inherent problems.
virginity clearly lessens the risk of getting VD, and totally eliminates the chance that you will get pregnant, that's factual.
So does making sure others are tested, using protection, engaging in low to no risk sex acts, and for pregnancy not engaging in vaginal sex at all. And no one ever got pregnant from homosexual sex. holmes "Some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new dark age." (Lovecraft)
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3956 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
that's uncalled for.
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3956 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
Best wishes to you and the lucky guy, by the way. Sounds to me like you're on the right track i'm not so sure. i was more referring to this in simile. but the muslims do have a "marriage for like" in sharia law. women are permitted to marry a man they are interested in and request a divorce within the year. cause you know. they're so very restrictive. i love taking classes from actual muslims who know what they're talking about.
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3956 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
huh? come on, keep up. if intercourse is only for making babies then you shouldn't be having non-procreative sex with your wife.
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3956 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
And no one ever got pregnant from homosexual sex. such a powerful conversion tool
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 444 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
I never said it wasn't a beatiful awesome thing.
I think thats how all life should start, with a bang!
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Firebird Inactive Member |
Hi again RiVeRraT,
If I light up a joint, and smoke it, I ain't high yet, will I be high in a few? I understand this as meaning that after conception, life will follow. Unless we disrupt it. But of course there are other possibilities. . .
A deseased limb would scream to its owner for him to do something about it. The point I was trying to make is that anything alive and able to express itself, resists being killed. (Except where there is a deliberate sacrifice for the greater good, a very high form of morality). Wanting to keep living doesn’t relate to the issue, until there is agreement on what living means.
This is where we are going to have to trust medicine The interesting thing is that you followed this statement with two examples where the medical advice was, at best, questionable! I know of others, too. Therefore I would take responsibility for such a decision, taking into account medical advice. Just “trusting medicine” is to me an irresponsible cop-out. See, from your own account, I could become pregnant, shop around for a doctor who agreed that a depression could result from bearing the child (which is true), then “trust medicine” and have the pregnancy terminated. And we both know that it would be hypocritical. This is why I can see only two consistent positions - either no abortions under any circumstances at all (after all, our judgement and medical opinion could both be wrong and then it would be equivalent to murder). . . Or making a decision as responsibly as possible and living with the consequences. And supporting restrictive legislation on these issues is just another way avoiding responsibility, for self and others.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 444 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Wanting to keep living doesn’t relate to the issue, until there is agreement on what living means. The fact that a fetus keeps growing, unless you disturb it, is proof positive that it has a will to survive.
The interesting thing is that you followed this statement with two examples where the medical advice was, at best, questionable! I know of others, too. Therefore I would take responsibility for such a decision, taking into account medical advice. Just “trusting medicine” is to me an irresponsible cop-out. I only said that to be realistic. I really do not trust medicine, or the doctors. They have screwed me up too many times. But they have also saved me. It's the best we got, and we have to go with it.
See, from your own account, I could become pregnant, shop around for a doctor who agreed that a depression could result from bearing the child depression is not life threatening, and treatable.
This is why I can see only two consistent positions - either no abortions under any circumstances at all (after all, our judgement and medical opinion could both be wrong and then it would be equivalent to murder). . . Your confusing to ideas there. If you make an honest mistake it is not murder. The fact remains that some pregnancies pose a risk to the mother, or the baby. We do our best at trying to prevent those bad things from happening. What your saying is that medicine has no right to get involved at all. I do not agree with that. We have brains. Whether it's from God or not, we should be using them.
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: What if you didn't make a mistake, but got pregnant anyway? Is it murder then? Oh, and by the way, if I make an "honest mistake" while driving my car and unintentionally kill someone, I can still be prosecuted for manslaughter, which is a serious crime.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1495 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
The fact that a fetus keeps growing, unless you disturb it, is proof positive that it has a will to survive. How so? Even people who've lost "the will to live" don't immediately drop dead. Clearly physical growth is completely unrelated to any "will to survive."
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: So, do tumors that keep growing unless we disturb them have a will to survive?
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