anti-abortion folks still get abortions

well. his brother was dead. it's called a kinsman redeemer. his job is to care for and provide a child to his relative's widow. it was to ensure that she would be cared for and not have to turn to unsavory crafts.it's a nice sentiment but i'm not sure it would work in our monogamous culture. imagine if you had to take on your brother's three wives in addition to your own.

I have three brothers. Seeing their nine wives on Christmas and Thanksgiving will do me fine, thank you. (Best wishes to you and the lucky guy, by the way. Sounds to me like you're on the right track.)

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Oh, maybe you should sell yourself off and live that way then.This message has been edited by riVeRraT, 03-30-2006 04:10 PM

This BS of taking things our of context must come to an end.Finish the story, and find out what happen afterwards. huh? I am not sure, but isn't there a verse that explains what sex is for in the bible?Shows you how much I care about it biblically. It's only after learning the lessons in life that I started to understand why the bible says what it says. Which is the complete opposite from you. Good luck with your boyfriend, he's gonna need it, j/k

First your sort of answer to my original question... Well I think it ought to be and that's why I asked my question. If you are for laws against abortion then you are saying that shouldn't be enough for others.Are you for laws against abortion? If so, why are you not trying to have yourself punished, rather than appealing to the fact that it happened to be legal at the time? I'm not sure who "they" are, but it doesn't stop diseases from spreading. And polygamy or simply sex with more than one partner in a lifetime has not been shown to have any inherent problems. So does making sure others are tested, using protection, engaging in low to no risk sex acts, and for pregnancy not engaging in vaginal sex at all.And no one ever got pregnant from homosexual sex.

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that's uncalled for.

i'm not so sure. i was more referring to this in simile. but the muslims do have a "marriage for like" in sharia law. women are permitted to marry a man they are interested in and request a divorce within the year. cause you know. they're so very restrictive. i love taking classes from actual muslims who know what they're talking about.

come on, keep up. if intercourse is only for making babies then you shouldn't be having non-procreative sex with your wife.

such a powerful conversion tool

I never said it wasn't a beatiful awesome thing.I think thats how all life should start, with a bang!

Hi again RiVeRraT, I understand this as meaning that after conception, life will follow. Unless we disrupt it. But of course there are other possibilities. . . The point I was trying to make is that anything alive and able to express itself, resists being killed. (Except where there is a deliberate sacrifice for the greater good, a very high form of morality). Wanting to keep living doesn’t relate to the issue, until there is agreement on what living means. The interesting thing is that you followed this statement with two examples where the medical advice was, at best, questionable! I know of others, too. Therefore I would take responsibility for such a decision, taking into account medical advice. Just “trusting medicine” is to me an irresponsible cop-out.See, from your own account, I could become pregnant, shop around for a doctor who agreed that a depression could result from bearing the child (which is true), then “trust medicine” and have the pregnancy terminated. And we both know that it would be hypocritical.This is why I can see only two consistent positions - either no abortions under any circumstances at all (after all, our judgement and medical opinion could both be wrong and then it would be equivalent to murder). . .Or making a decision as responsibly as possible and living with the consequences.And supporting restrictive legislation on these issues is just another way avoiding responsibility, for self and others.

The fact that a fetus keeps growing, unless you disturb it, is proof positive that it has a will to survive. I only said that to be realistic. I really do not trust medicine, or the doctors. They have screwed me up too many times. But they have also saved me. It's the best we got, and we have to go with it. depression is not life threatening, and treatable. Your confusing to ideas there. If you make an honest mistake it is not murder. The fact remains that some pregnancies pose a risk to the mother, or the baby. We do our best at trying to prevent those bad things from happening.What your saying is that medicine has no right to get involved at all. I do not agree with that. We have brains. Whether it's from God or not, we should be using them.

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What if you didn't make a mistake, but got pregnant anyway?Is it murder then?Oh, and by the way, if I make an "honest mistake" while driving my car and unintentionally kill someone, I can still be prosecuted for manslaughter, which is a serious crime.

How so? Even people who've lost "the will to live" don't immediately drop dead. Clearly physical growth is completely unrelated to any "will to survive."

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The fact that a fetus keeps growing, unless you disturb it, is proof positive that it has a will to survive.

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So, do tumors that keep growing unless we disturb them have a will to survive?