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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 196 of 301 (299818)
03-31-2006 1:06 PM
Reply to: Message 195 by nator
03-31-2006 9:15 AM


Re: Responsibility
yes. treating cancer is murder.

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Message 197 of 301 (300040)
04-01-2006 10:56 AM
Reply to: Message 193 by nator
03-31-2006 8:21 AM


Re: Responsibility
What if you didn't make a mistake, but got pregnant anyway?
Consentual sex or non-consentual?
Oh, and by the way, if I make an "honest mistake" while driving my car and unintentionally kill someone, I can still be prosecuted for manslaughter, which is a serious crime.
Mansaulter is not murder.
Prosecutred or convicted?
If a person knowingly drives a car drunk, he is responsible for the damage he does, it is no longer an accident.
If a person knowingly has sex, then they are responsible for the life that may begin afterwards. It is not an accident.
If I caused an accident while drunk, and there was a mother and child in the car, and I killed the mother, abortion would be the equivelent of killing the child as punishment, instead of prosecuting me.

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Message 198 of 301 (300042)
04-01-2006 10:58 AM
Reply to: Message 194 by crashfrog
03-31-2006 9:09 AM


Re: Responsibility
Clearly physical growth is completely unrelated to any "will to survive."
You are taking things out of context again.
We are talking about the physical, not the mental.
The objective, not the subjective.

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riVeRraT
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Message 199 of 301 (300044)
04-01-2006 11:14 AM
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03-31-2006 9:15 AM


Re: Responsibility
So, do tumors that keep growing unless we disturb them have a will to survive?
That is a terrible comparison.
So fetus's are tumors now?
You guys are sick. You and brenna.
Tumor is a threat to the life of it's host. They happen by accident, not because they got banged or popped.

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Message 200 of 301 (300045)
04-01-2006 11:14 AM
Reply to: Message 198 by riVeRraT
04-01-2006 10:58 AM


Re: Responsibility
You are taking things out of context again.
No, I'm not. There's no context where your statement is correct.
We are talking about the physical, not the mental.
The objective, not the subjective.
You're still wrong. Physically, there's no such thing as will. Objectively, consciousness is required to have will. Will is not physical, it's mental. To suggest that a fetus continuing to grow constitutes the presence of a "will to survive" is beyiond idiotic, for the reason I mentioned earlier (physical life processes have continue in the absence of a will to survive) and because a fetus doesn't have the requisite mental equipment to even have a will.
Don't accuse me of taking your garbage "out of context." If there was a context where your statement expressed something true, I would have addressed it in that context.

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Message 201 of 301 (300047)
04-01-2006 11:15 AM
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04-01-2006 11:14 AM


Re: Responsibility
Tumor is a threat to the life of it's host.
So is a fetus.

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Message 202 of 301 (300050)
04-01-2006 11:25 AM
Reply to: Message 200 by crashfrog
04-01-2006 11:14 AM


Re: Responsibility
You're still wrong. Physically, there's no such thing as will.
Will to survive does not mean what you turned it into (garbage).
Many things that do not have a conscience can be described as having a "will to survive".
Will, in the saying "will to survive" does not mean "will" of the conscience.
So you took the saying out of context twice now.
Does bacteria have a will?

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Message 203 of 301 (300051)
04-01-2006 11:26 AM
Reply to: Message 201 by crashfrog
04-01-2006 11:15 AM


Re: Responsibility
So is a fetus.
No it's not. Otherwise it would have the same name. Isn't this retarded?

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Message 204 of 301 (300055)
04-01-2006 11:38 AM
Reply to: Message 202 by riVeRraT
04-01-2006 11:25 AM


Re: Responsibility
Many things that do not have a conscience can be described as having a "will to survive".
No, they can't. It takes a mind to have a will. There's no context where your statement was remotely correct, RR. Let it go.
Does bacteria have a will?
No, they don't. Neither a will to survive, nor any other will. No more than water has a "will to run downhill."

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Message 205 of 301 (300056)
04-01-2006 11:40 AM
Reply to: Message 203 by riVeRraT
04-01-2006 11:26 AM


Re: Responsibility
No it's not. Otherwise it would have the same name.
...what? What would have the same name as what?
The problem with your baseless accusations of "taking things out of context" is that your posts rarely have any context that would shed light on their meaning. I would reccommend you attempt to write and reason with a greater emphasis on clarity.

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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 206 of 301 (300063)
04-01-2006 12:13 PM
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04-01-2006 11:26 AM


Re: Responsibility
yes. bearing live children is an immense risk to the mother. in order to be able to develop our amazing (but apparently useless) brains, we took that risk instead of laying our eggs and leaving them.

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Message 207 of 301 (300064)
04-01-2006 12:15 PM
Reply to: Message 204 by crashfrog
04-01-2006 11:38 AM


Re: Responsibility
how does bacteria not have a will if humans do? they are alive; they have horizontal sex in order to share traits they need; they have moving parts and attack what they intend to eat. just because they are smaller than you they don't have a will but you do? that's stupid.

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Message 208 of 301 (300065)
04-01-2006 12:17 PM
Reply to: Message 207 by macaroniandcheese
04-01-2006 12:15 PM


Re: Responsibility
how does bacteria not have a will if humans do?
No brain.
Does water have a will because it always moves to the lowest avaliable place?

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Message 209 of 301 (300067)
04-01-2006 12:20 PM
Reply to: Message 208 by crashfrog
04-01-2006 12:17 PM


Re: Responsibility
i just don't think humans have a will. of any sort.

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Message 210 of 301 (300095)
04-01-2006 3:27 PM
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04-01-2006 11:38 AM


Re: Responsibility
There's no context where your statement was remotely correct, RR. Let it go.
If you prove me wrong, then I WILL.
No, they don't. Neither a will to survive, nor any other will. No more than water has a "will to run downhill."
If one kind of bacteria attack another kind, would one survive?

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