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Consentual sex or non-consentual?

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Either.

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Mansaulter is not murder.

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No, but you still go to prison for a long time if you are convicted of manslaughter.

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If a person knowingly drives a car drunk, he is responsible for the damage he does, it is no longer an accident.

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Who said anything about being drunk?I am talking about making an "honest mistake" while driving.

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If a person knowingly has sex, then they are responsible for the life that may begin afterwards. It is not an accident.

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So does this mean that you wish to force, by rule of law, all pregnant girls and women to carry their pregnancies to term? Or, should it be an individual choice between a woman, her doctor, and anyone else she decides to tell?Does this mean that you wish the government and law enforcement agancies to apply themselves to surveillance and prosecution of girls and women who seek or get abortions?And you never have answered holmes; why aren't you describing how you think you should be punished for deciding with your girlfriend to terminate her pregnancy?

my unbelievable what?
oh sure you meant you're. but what you said and what you meant are two different things. it's selfish to want to have private advice from my doctor and it's selfish to think that i'm capable of making my own medical decisions? everyone else understood me.This message has been edited by brennakimi, 04-02-2006 10:37 AM

I still don't understand the relevance of the question. Are you trying to say that one bacteria had a will to survive that the other didn't?If I pour water on a fire, is the fire extinguished because it lacks a "will to burn"? Or is it better to say that it is extinguished because of a lack of oxygen and heat?

Being sent to jail wouldn't have prevented you from doing it, it would only have punished you for doing it. The question is if you feel others should be punished afterward, why not you now? Why not you first?

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"Some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new dark age." (Lovecraft)

After all, if the purpose of sending people to jail is to deter people from doing this in the future, what would be a better deterrent than making an example of RiverRat right now?

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"Religion is the best business to be in. It's the only one where the customers blame themselves for product failure."
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Heheheh! I tells ya, even more than having them volunteer to take care of unwanted children, if those that had abortions (or were complicit in them) were rushing to be jailed I might take it all much more seriously.

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"Some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new dark age." (Lovecraft)

Not in the least.

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If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist!
*not an actual doctor

I have never heard of someone being convicted of a honest mistake and doing time for it.When your drunk, your then liable. Just like when you have sex, your liable, thats my point. YOu have worded that incorrectly, and your not understanding what I am saying. By rule of law, I wish make all people who have intercourse liable for their actions. It is really not all that outlandish, it is life.Your saying it's ok to play games with life, just so you can get "popped", and have a good night out or something. I haven't though about it that deeply. What was done in the past? I did answer him.

I deserve it, in my own opinion. I would spend time in jail gladly to set an example. I am a person of integrety, and principal.But your little scenerio shows that you completely missed it. I did what I did, because I lived in a society that accepted abortions, which helped me make the decision I made. I was uneducated about it. There was no actual way for me to know how I would feel until I did it. And because abortion was legal, it just helped me along in doing it, instead of detering me. So I did nothing wrong, and I deserve no punishment. If you wish to punish someone for my abortion, you can punish the partys involved in making it legal, they are the ultimate ones liable.

Of course it would. Because I didn't legalize it.

You are avoiding answering the question because you know I am right. If they would survive, then they will survive. Willto survive is a saying, and it can apply to anything living. Living things on this planet do not survive because they don't want to. They do, because thats how things are. If you leave it alone, it will keep going, unless it gets sick, which is another story. As soon as you interfere, then you are the liable one. huh? Fire is not a living thing. It will go out, because you put it out, otherwise as long as there is fuel, it will keep burning, so yes, you can say it has a will to burn, if it didn't then it wouldn't burn, it would go out by itself, without interference.Let's cut to the chase. If a woman gets prenant, and there are no medical complications, will the baby be born?Whether it actually has a will or not, is irrelevant. It will eventually grow into something that has a will if it doesn't already have one.Does a sperm have a will to find an egg? Is it not intelligent life? Does not the egg only let certain sperm in?I have heard some crazy shit in this thread, and it makes me wonder. There seems to be no respect for life. People in this thread probably have more respect for trees than fetus.I wonder if anyone here is a member of PETA. In my mind that would make them into hypocrites if they were for abortion.If you abort it, you are liable.

A spelling error, and a twisting of words, and evolution are 2 different things again. You are confusing me. I am not talking about a medical decision. I don't care what goes on between you and your doctor. I care about people being liable for their actions. So did I. What I didn't understand is why a statement that has no relevance was even brought into the conversation by you. You are smarter than that.

abortion is something that is between my doctor and myself. it has nothing to do with anyone else and it is me being responsible for my actions and preventing another unwanted pregnancy and another unwanted child.This message has been edited by brennakimi, 04-02-2006 07:33 PM

Since when is it a "saying"? And what do you claim it describes? Oh? "That's how things are?" I certainly can't challenge that ironclad reasoning. Oh, wait.RR, this is just nonsense. What you're writing is nonsense. It's you who's abandoned the context of the discussion, because none of this has anything to do with the topic. "It's a saying"? It's no "saying" I've ever heard. Irrelevant. Few living things have "will", either. I'm trying to show you that you're applying the concept of "will" to things that can't possibly have it, and your reasoning would apply will to a lot more things that could be said to have a will of some sort.I mean, "will to burn" is just a saying, right? "Medical complications" being defined as something that prevents the baby from being born? You should know better than to ask if a tautology is true. By definition, it's both true and meaningless. Only the first one. And yes, sperm are not intelligent life. You had to be told that? I don't know how you have any standing to say this after this last series of completely nonsensical posts.

That's nice, next time I kill my child, I'll ask the government and everyone else who gives a dam to stay out of it. I created it, I can do with it whatever I want, and it's none of your dam business.