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Author Topic:   Jesus: A Man Who Craved Attention?
jar
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Message 3 of 13 (301024)
04-05-2006 12:14 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Brian
04-04-2006 2:04 PM


I don't see that from the examples that you chose.
For example, Mark 7:
33After he took him aside, away from the crowd, Jesus put his fingers into the man's ears. Then he spit and touched the man's tongue. 34He looked up to heaven and with a deep sigh said to him, "Ephphatha!" (which means, "Be opened!" ). 35At this, the man's ears were opened, his tongue was loosened and he began to speak plainly.
First, in the part you quoted, note that Jesus first took him aside, away from the crowd. In addition, in the lines leading up to the incident, you find:
31Then Jesus left the vicinity of Tyre and went through Sidon, down to the Sea of Galilee and into the region of the Decapolis. 32There some people brought to him a man who was deaf and could hardly talk, and they begged him to place his hand on the man.
So it begins with a group of people, the ones that brought him to the man. Now Jesus might have, like the televangelists, worked his wonders to the crowd, performed his miracle on cue and with lights and fireworks. But he didn't; instead he took the man aside.
And in the lines after the part you quote mined, it goes on to say:
36Jesus commanded them not to tell anyone. But the more he did so, the more they kept talking about it.
So he tried to keep it quiet, to avoid the very attention you claim he was seeking.
Now you can claim, that Jesus knew that telling folk not to talk about it would have the exact opposite effect and make them speak more of the miracle. But that argument smacks of the old Catch 22, either way, whether he did the miracles publicly or in private, it seems you would make the same claims.
I simply don't believe the passage supports your assertions.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
Member (Idle past 420 days)
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From: Texas!!
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Message 12 of 13 (301500)
04-06-2006 10:57 AM
Reply to: Message 10 by Brian
04-06-2006 10:42 AM


Re: I don't see that from the examples that you chose.
Sorry but I just don't see where you are getting your information other than just putting your own spin on things. As to whether he was with a group, herd, covey, pod, gaggle or shrewdness (most likely), he already had the folks attention. They were following him.
He took the man aside but not out of view of the crowd, why else would verse 36 say 'And he charged them to tell no man'?
Because it's likely that when the guy returned to the group they noticed he could see. Why the man might even have said something like "You sooooo uggggllly that..."
Brian, you're reaching on this thread. Jesus was a reformer and teacher. Even if he didn't like notoriety, it went with the territory. Speaking out quietly where no one hears seldom changes peoples perspective.
You have not yet convinced me of the accuracy of your position on this one.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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