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Author Topic:   Does staunch Creationist criticism assist scienific study?
jar
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Message 5 of 13 (301253)
04-05-2006 4:30 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Dierotao
04-05-2006 3:43 PM


But it is not strong criticism.
I've noticed many Evolutionists complain that Creationists will not accept many scientific conclusions unless they are 'forced' to by insurmountable evidence.
actually, in most cases even when presented with overwhelming evidence, most Biblical Creationists simply wilfully ignore that evidence.
I find this curious, as it would seem such strong criticism would always help refine scientific theories.
That might be true if there was ever a valid criticism presented or some other theory that better explained the evidence seen. But so fa, TTBOMK that has never happened.
But surely it could not be said all Creationist arguments are unscientific.
Why? They begin with a conclusion. That one simply fact means that any contribution they might attempt to make is flawed.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 8 of 13 (301285)
04-05-2006 5:23 PM
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04-05-2006 5:04 PM


Re: jar
But you skipped the first part of my post.
The statement
"Why? They begin with a conclusion. That one simply fact means that any contribution they might attempt to make is flawed."
relates to why Biblical Creationism will never be scientific. Until the Biblical Creationist is willing to place the stories from the Bible under the same standards as the TOE, it will never be more than an embarassment to Christianity.
Example: If I argue that radiometric data is seriously flawed due to specific evidence I have collected, does it matter whether my motivation to research possible flaws in that original data is due to a religious belief that the earth is not as old a radiometric data implies, or a scientific belief that radiometric data is possibly flawed?
Again, that goes back to the first part of my message and why Biblical Creationism has never been a challenge to science. So far not one Biblical Creationist has been able to advance even a single challenge that has withstood examination.
The second part is even more important. Things like dating do NOT depend on one method, even so broad a method as radiometric evidence. Rather there are a whole bunch of independantr correlated obervations that support the old age of the universe.
Even if some Biblical Creationist might be able to challenge radiometric dating, that would not invalidate the age of the earth and the universe. Nor would it add support for either the YEC position or Biblical Creationism. Those two positions have been overwhelmingly falsified, and unless someone comes up with some whole new body of evidence, they should be relegated to the history dustbin along with flat earth and lightning being the arrows of the gods.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 11 of 13 (301325)
04-05-2006 7:03 PM
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04-05-2006 6:48 PM


Re: jar
Or does it merely mean a Creationist who's base belief in Creationism is because of Biblical interpretation, but who argues against Evolution by scientic means?
Arguing against Evolution does nothing to support YEC or Biblical creationism. They daid. Past. Gone. Of no importance or even interest.
Now, like any scientific theory, the TOE is open to challenge at all times. If someone can present a better explanation for the evidence out there, then the TOE will be changed or modified as needed.

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