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Author Topic:   The Case Against the Existence of God
riVeRraT
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Message 6 of 301 (301459)
04-06-2006 7:44 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by ReverendDG
04-06-2006 3:53 AM


What about the arguments when accounting for the old testiment? do they not show a god who is not all-good?
Isn't this arguements for God that are flawed?
Define good, according to God.

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riVeRraT
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Message 7 of 301 (301460)
04-06-2006 7:46 AM
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04-06-2006 4:48 AM


I did not 'become an atheist' any more than I became somebody who does not believe in Father Christmas.
Well since you seem to know about the existance of God, do you ever wonder?

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riVeRraT
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Message 53 of 301 (301634)
04-06-2006 3:02 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by Dan Carroll
04-06-2006 9:53 AM


Okay.
*looks around*
*sees nothing*
So, what's for lunch?
Sees nothing? Your never more than 3 feet from a bible. Oh wait that's a spider.

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riVeRraT
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Message 104 of 301 (301883)
04-07-2006 8:36 AM
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04-06-2006 3:39 PM


I've also got an issue of Green Lantern in my messenger bag.
I am not sure, as I never really liked comic books except Heavy Metal, and Epic, but is the author of the green lantern claiming that his comics are the word of God inspired by the Holy Spirit?
Is he claiming that the green lantern actually exists, and if you accept that, you will go to heaven?
Just checking, after all, I think we should compare apples to apples.
Maybe if you compared Zues to the God of the bible, your arguement would hold more validity.

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riVeRraT
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Message 230 of 301 (302174)
04-07-2006 5:57 PM
Reply to: Message 109 by Dan Carroll
04-07-2006 9:37 AM


He doesn't say, one way or the other. So they definitely could be!
Isn't that the same as if I said you can't prove God doesn't exist. I forgot what you call that, falsefiable something or another?
Yeah, show me the case against Zeus' existence, too.
I really don't know much about Zeus. Maybe he was a god.
I do remember something about the possibility that the Greeks dug up dinosaur bones, and made all these god stories from them.
It could even be considered biblical:
Numbers 13:32 And they gave the children of Israel a bad report of the land which they had spied out, saying, “The land through which we have gone as spies is a land that devours its inhabitants, and all the people whom we saw in it are men of great stature. 33 There we saw the giants (the descendants of Anak came from the giants); and we were like grasshoppers in our own sight, and so we were in their sight.”
Maybe one of those giants was Zeus.
I guess my point is, most of that is from times gone by, and there is little to choose from now.
Do you know what I like about you? You would make a great Christian.

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riVeRraT
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Message 254 of 301 (302262)
04-07-2006 11:41 PM
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04-07-2006 6:00 PM


But under the criteria people are laying out to show that the idea of God deserves some attention, Green Lantern qualifies too.
Well it's a point, but not a very valid one. We all know the green lantern doesn't exist and why. We all are not sure if God exists, and we are not sure why or why not.
I think the best case for God really, is Jesus. He came and did what he did, in front of many witnesses.
My problem with it, and I am sure it is your problem also, is that it was so long ago, and things were very different back then. It almost seems to me, that people could have been easily fooled back then, because they don't know as much as we know now.
So you could sit there, and even falseify Jesus very easily.
But the truth is, if He did exactly what He did, miracles and all, then He was the Son of God, and there was a change at that point in time. It seems most of history centers around that time. I feel there was a change in us as humans from that moment on. I relate that change to Him depositing the Holy Spirit in us, so we no longer have to go to a temple and make sacrifices to talk with God. We can just do it ourselves, right through Jesus. There must be times in life when your staring at a light bulb in the ceiling and wondering about God. I say your talking to Him.
That's what led me to start reading the bible. It took 13 years before it finally came through, and I felt the Holy Spirit. Jesus said, you recieve power when the Holy Spirit falls on you, and then your my witness.
I think that makes so much sense. I become a witness, and thats exactly how I feel now. I no longer have to rely on just words in a book, that I could easily justify away. Jesus left His words, but He knew it wouldn't be enough. He probably knew the words would get scrambled, and religions would come and go, and not really follow His words. He knew people like you would rely on only empirical evidence, and not take that leap of faith (so you say) to find God.
I think we were all created to worship God. I am not talking about falling on your kness and crying out to an imaginary friend, I am talking about worshiping Him in spirit and truth. You bring a lot of truth to the plate. I see it in your debating, and you knowledge, and your ability of discernment. You may even be worshiping God with all that, and you don't even realize it.
There is a way to know God, and it is through His Spirit. The instructions are in the bible how to obtain communication with His Spirit. Is it objective? I don't know, is anything objective? We only can look at the world through our subjective minds. We are far from knowing everything. What qualifies us to say we know enough to make any decision? What will we be like 1000 years from now? Love exists, and it's subjective. God is love.
I don't know, but I do know that even though we disagree on many things, I still think highly of you, and like you.

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