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Topic: The Case Against the Existence of God
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Larni
Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: 09-16-2005
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You're going the wrong way about it. The default position is that there is no god. To move from this position you must have a reason to do so. Please provide a reason.
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Larni
Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: 09-16-2005
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Message 108 of 301 (301904)
04-07-2006 9:35 AM
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Reply to: Message 107 by iano
04-07-2006 9:14 AM
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iano writes: Its more like you born on your way to hell. You could live as 'good' a life as Mother Theresa and such living wouldn't affect the destination stamped on your ticket. Murder/don't murder doesn't affect things in the least. People are deliverered at birth over a sheer drop into the Abyss. Thats the default. Whether they are nice to each other on the way down or not is not all that relevant. God offers to arrest the fall and pull you to safety. As a gift. So....I can do whatever I like and it will make no difference at all? As long as I believe in god. I could shoot someone and believing in god would make that cool? That can't be what your saying, is it?
iano writes: Jesus. The most notable person in 60,000,000,000 persons. Lara Croft has a big fan club and loads of media attention. Does this make her real? Your arguement holds no water. Belief will indeed cause people to lay down their lives for a cause. This does not make what the believe automatically true. I stand by my assertation that there is not or has ever been evidence for a god's existance.
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Larni
Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: 09-16-2005
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Message 112 of 301 (301936)
04-07-2006 11:06 AM
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Reply to: Message 111 by iano
04-07-2006 10:37 AM
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iano writes: It would make a difference and no it wouldn't be cool (whatever that means). But it would have no bearing on your receipt of the gift of eternal life nor on that being outstandingly blissful. This means that all the murderers in the world who believe in your god rub shoulders with with all the virtuous (who believe in your god) in heaven, where as the fellow who spends his whole life working for charirty in India (being Hindu) would not get into heaven and would at best go to purgatory.
iano writes: A person who was honestly searching as to God or no, might not think it strange to check out what the most significant person in the history of mankind has said on the matter. This is an arguement from authority.
iano writes: When standing thus one might do well to look upon that on which one is standing I do not understand what this statement means.
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Larni
Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: 09-16-2005
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Message 113 of 301 (301937)
04-07-2006 11:09 AM
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Reply to: Message 99 by robinrohan
04-07-2006 8:04 AM
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Robin writes: If there is no evidence against God, atheism would be untenable. Please show how this is true. If however there is no evidence for god I contend the is ABOLUTLY NO REASON to conclude one exists.
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Larni
Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: 09-16-2005
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Re: Satheism, Watheism
Catholic Scientist writes: For this reason, Satheism is as logically ridiculous as theism. You are of course bang on the money with this one. Before one can ask for evidence of the non existance of a god one must entertain it as a possiblity. I've asked at least twice for any reason to entertain the existance of a god and have had no reply.
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Larni
Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: 09-16-2005
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Message 119 of 301 (301954)
04-07-2006 11:26 AM
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Reply to: Message 115 by jar
04-07-2006 11:12 AM
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Re: Perhaps off topic but IMHO worthwhile
I take all that on board but it conflicts with the Gospel of Iano where I could apparently be a cannible and still get my ticket to heaven. These conflicting view reinforce (in my mind) that the xian god is what ever anyone thinks it is: I have never heard two xians who agree.
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Larni
Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: 09-16-2005
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Robinrohan writes: I would think one would have to be an agnostic due to lack of evidence. Yeah your probly right. As I said in Message 5 of 120:
I think yout premise is flawed I also should have used the word agnostic rather than atheist. 
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Larni
Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: 09-16-2005
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Message 126 of 301 (301969)
04-07-2006 11:46 AM
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Reply to: Message 123 by jar
04-07-2006 11:38 AM
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Re: Perhaps off topic but IMHO worthwhile
If I ever was going to follow a religion, I think your's sounds pretty damn civilised.  I take your point and can see where you are coming from. To quote Joe Haldeman: "...you pays your money and takes your frame of reference."
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Larni
Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: 09-16-2005
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Re: Satheism, Watheism
Hmmm.... I can't help but think that appealing to the majority or authority is a logical fallacy.
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Larni
Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: 09-16-2005
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Message 137 of 301 (301999)
04-07-2006 12:26 PM
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Reply to: Message 128 by iano
04-07-2006 11:48 AM
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I'm sure your god can tell the difference between Therresa and Hitler. After all it is omniscient. Your god does not know that trying to attain his standard is impossible: it could change the human condition with it's omnipotence. It would not need to use a cats paw (Jesus).
iano writes: So whilst I'm sure you will find (God willing) a lot of people who were murderers, rapists, paodphiles before they believed, you might find a lot less who did the same things after they believed. Why? It does not matter to them, they get to heaven anyway. You religion seems to offer no moral compass. This is only thing I can see that any religion has going for it.
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Larni
Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: 09-16-2005
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Re: Satheism, Watheism
Then entertain the Green Lantern Hypothosis.
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Larni
Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: 09-16-2005
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Message 140 of 301 (302002)
04-07-2006 12:30 PM
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Reply to: Message 131 by jar
04-07-2006 12:06 PM
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Re: on Following a Religion.
Can't argue with that. In truth it does make me feel warm when you put it like that. It's nice to be nice. Got to dash, home time. Ed: Bloopers This message has been edited by Larni, 04-07-2006 12:30 PM
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